Dude, Coevett, please don’t act like I wrote that quote at the bottom of your post. What a lowly and deceptive thing to do.
I put a lot of weight in being the clear #1 all-time in your event, like Rudisha is in his. This is somewhat related to how I put Coe clearly ahead of Aouita (which I know you’d approve of), valuing Coe’s achievements at 800-mile more so than Aouita’s unmatched 800-5k range.
In addition Coevett is clearly being intellectually dishonest when he used one 1000m race contested when Rudisha was a 1:44.90 runner (a race one week before), in 2017, clearly not in shape, as a barometer to measure his capacities above 1000m. Let us be real here. Rudisha could have approached the world record at 1000m when he was in sub 1:41 shape in 2012.
So it's pure speculation on my or Deano's part when we claim Coe could have ran faster than 1:41.73 if he had had more than 2 fast paced races at his peak in 79-81 (compared to Kipketer's 6 or 7 over 5 seasons), but you know for sure that Rudisha would have broken the 1000m wr, even though he only ran the 1000m once and was flooded with lactic and made to look like a hack as soon as he crossed the 800m finish line? Rudisha was a 400/800 guy, like Cruz and Korir. If he could have broken the 1000m WR he would have tried and done it. Look at Korir getting spanked by Wightman at Monaco over 1000. He finished 12th in 2:18, two weeks after winning the 800m gold in 1:43, and 3 weeks before running 1:43.2
Performances gain from EPO is a myth. You need to provide scientific scientific supporting documents. I give you another subject to study: why no Brit run 1:42 in 800m since 1990?
(Peter Elliot run almost 1:43 in 1990)
What kind of "condiments" you were using at that time?
Because participation in GB fell through a hole as EPO fuelled Africans started to dominate and the racists began proselytizing their myth that Africans were 'natural born runners' who Europeans could not compete with. Some, like Curtis Robb, literally gave up.
If Britain's success at middle-distance in the 80's was down to steroids, and it ended when better testing was implemented, then why did Britain experience a golden age in sprinting in the 90's? If it was down to steroids, Coe, Cram, and Ovett, and Elliott would have been 400/800 runners, not 800/1500 men (with only Coe being better at 800 than 1500).
Britain, the only country in the world to get slower during the EPO era. That's something to be proud of.
In addition Coevett is clearly being intellectually dishonest when he used one 1000m race contested when Rudisha was a 1:44.90 runner (a race one week before), in 2017, clearly not in shape, as a barometer to measure his capacities above 1000m. Let us be real here. Rudisha could have approached the world record at 1000m when he was in sub 1:41 shape in 2012.
So it's pure speculation on my or Deano's part when we claim Coe could have ran faster than 1:41.73 if he had had more than 2 fast paced races at his peak in 79-81 (compared to Kipketer's 6 or 7 over 5 seasons), but you know for sure that Rudisha would have broken the 1000m wr, even though he only ran the 1000m once and was flooded with lactic and made to look like a hack as soon as he crossed the 800m finish line? Rudisha was a 400/800 guy, like Cruz and Korir. If he could have broken the 1000m WR he would have tried and done it. Look at Korir getting spanked by Wightman at Monaco over 1000. He finished 12th in 2:18, two weeks after winning the 800m gold in 1:43, and 3 weeks before running 1:43.2
You cannot stop lying. Why? I NEVER asserted that Rudisha would have broken the 1000m world record. Not sure why you need to lie unless deep down you are drowning in desperation in these arguments.
You care A LOT. You are as biased as Coevett and Deanouk. Same type of character.
Everybody here is the "same kind of character". But some are more informed than others.
Sorry for the way I attack and ridicule posters on here all the time. I just haven't been able to help myself but I am talking to someone about my issues now. Please take back all my negativity on here in the past. If you see me ranting in the future just don't pay any attention. Biggest Hugs to all
Everybody here is the "same kind of character". But some are more informed than others.
Sorry for the way I attack and ridicule posters on here all the time. I just haven't been able to help myself but I am talking to someone about my issues now. Please take back all my negativity on here in the past. If you see me ranting in the future just don't pay any attention. Biggest Hugs to all
Nice to meet you ArrmstrongLivs. I prefer the real version a lot more though.
Sorry for beeing out of topic in thread No. 1769 going into a completely wrong (Coe-) direction not intented by the OP.
I call you to be a liar Deano, because you lie. You understand? I'm pretty sure you said Coe had to face all the best (the best - what would this mean at all?) in the 1980 and 1984 1500m Olympics. You know it's complete nonsense, you write it, you are a liar. And no, there is no room for some different opinion about the subject. Within the same month of the 80 final two athletes not allowed to compete in Moscow because of the boykott run under the existing world record. From the 10 fastest over 1500m in 1980 the nos 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 9 and 10 were not in Moscow . And if you have "sympathy" for the decision of some specific runner is so irrelevant for this question. No, not any of the best of 84 competed in LA over the distance. The seasons fastest over both 1500 and Mile who is also known for his exceptional finishing qualities was not there. Because he had to choose between the 1500 and the 5000 which were held on the same day.
To ignore three world outdoor titles while comparing Kipketer to Coe is hardly to beat in his pure stupidity (even when Coe would have had not a single world champs during his career - he has had two). If you don't see this yourself nothing will - many have tried.
You recently questioned if Elliott is a 1:42 800 runner (1:42.97 PB). Well, the question for sure itself is pure nonsense and worth not a single sentence. But when Coe runs 3:31.95 for sure it's just a 3:31. Letsrun, TAFN, YouTube are full of such Deano bonmonts.
You contacted me some months ago Deano - I give you the feedback you deserve.
It's good to see you get more and more critical responeses in this forum from many posters
Hi Said88! Hope you are doing well.
You still talk a lot of nonsense however.
As far as the quality of the 1500m final, Straub was clearly doped out of his mind and in sub 3:30 form that day. That was likely the only race in history outside of the EPO era and today's super shoes, that 3 men in the race were capable of sub 3:30. Wessinghage, Walker, Scott etc would not have got near Straub (or Coe and Ovett) that day.
Aouita NEVER raced any 1500m where 2 other guys were at that level, save for the Helsinki final 1983, and it's debateable if Ovett (still getting back to his best) was in 3:30 form, or Cram (not yet at his 85 best). And he finished 3rd (even losing to Steve Scott who certainly wasn't in sub 3:30 shape).
The only other real 1500m race Aouita took part in his prime, was in Nice against Cram, which he lost.
This guy really is obsessed by some specific runner.
Straub's lifetime PB is 3:33.68 and his 1980 SB is 3:36.59 - absolutely nothing which indicates he was in sub 3:30 shape.
In Koblenz three weeks after Moscow Ovett's pacemaker dropped out at around 950m and Ovett immediately looked around for some help and Wessinghage a few seconds later took the lead. Ovett just went to the lead with 100 to go and won the race with 22/100 in front of Wessingage, Hudak, Wülbeck and Khalifa, all setting lifetime PBs or close to it. Obviously great conditions.
The weather was great, splits were very good, pacemaking almost optimal. 3:31.36 was what Ovett was capable.
Coe in Zürich 12 days after the Moscow final also has had good pacemaking and good weather. He run 3:32.19.
Most likely that nobody was in sub 3:30 form in August 1980.
If the roles of Wessinghage and Ovett were reversed in this Koblenz race there would be dozens of threads in letsrun that Ovett is the true world record setter in this race and Wessinghage just benefittet from Ovett's help.
But the point was something different: not all of the best were in Moscow, a pure fact. In omplete contrast to what your friend stated. Most of the worlds best were not there.
And the drivel about Aouita just shows your obsession.
Sorry for the way I attack and ridicule posters on here all the time. I just haven't been able to help myself but I am talking to someone about my issues now. Please take back all my negativity on here in the past. If you see me ranting in the future just don't pay any attention. Biggest Hugs to all
Nice to meet you ArrmstrongLivs. I prefer the real version a lot more though.
As he shows - imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
Everybody here is the "same kind of character". But some are more informed than others.
Sorry for the way I attack and ridicule posters on here all the time. I just haven't been able to help myself but I am talking to someone about my issues now. Please take back all my negativity on here in the past. If you see me ranting in the future just don't pay any attention. Biggest Hugs to all
"ArRmstronglivs"? Orriginality is not your strong point.
Cruz doesn't make sense in this group. He was an excellent 1000m runner, running 2:14-2:15 multiple times FTW in 1983-1985. He also ran 3:34 for the 1500 (1988), even though it wasn't his focus. He was undefeated running the 1500/mile during his 1983-1985 run, and who knows how fast he could've gone had he gotten into a fast race.
Also, just flagging that the British runners giving up myth is completely dumb and something you should just give up Coevett. These things can by cyclical. From the late 70s to 1990 or so, a wave of Brits were able to run 3:30 and 1:43. Then the country sucked and couldn't hit these benchmarks or even really approach them. If they could have, there were medals to be won. Now they can, and it has nothing to do with Kenyan, Moroccans or Algerians being good or bad. What a lame excuse.
Cruz doesn't make sense in this group. He was an excellent 1000m runner, running 2:14-2:15 multiple times FTW in 1983-1985. He also ran 3:34 for the 1500 (1988), even though it wasn't his focus. He was undefeated running the 1500/mile during his 1983-1985 run, and who knows how fast he could've gone had he gotten into a fast race.
Not sure what you mean about Cruz' peak pre-injury (1983-85) unless you mean DNS'ing the 1500 Semis in LA. Otherwise he won every other race with the fastest times being 3:35.7/3:53.1 in 1985. Yes he got more chances in '87 on, but was no longer the same guy.
Not sure what you mean about Cruz' peak pre-injury (1983-85) unless you mean DNS'ing the 1500 Semis in LA. Otherwise he won every other race with the fastest times being 3:35.7/3:53.1 in 1985. Yes he got more chances in '87 on, but was no longer the same guy.
He didn't win every race! He was beaten by Scott in a mile in LA in 84 and was 7th in the 1500m WR race in Nice in 85.
Not sure what you mean about Cruz' peak pre-injury (1983-85) unless you mean DNS'ing the 1500 Semis in LA. Otherwise he won every other race with the fastest times being 3:35.7/3:53.1 in 1985. Yes he got more chances in '87 on, but was no longer the same guy.
He didn't win every race! He was beaten by Scott in a mile in LA in 84 and was 7th in the 1500m WR race in Nice in 85.
I don't think he was ever near being #1 in the 1500m/mile.
He was dominant in the 800m for a period of time, no doubt.
Then to disappoint you more. Your lord Coe got only a Gold olympic medal in a single distance (one in 1980/1984 boycotted games with in 1984 the absence of the performer of the year ... yeah I go to detail like what you do usually), then you have El G who have two Olympic Golds medals in two different middle distances.
Coe ran 2 Olympic 1500 finals and won both.
Guerrouj ran 3 1500 finals and lost the first 2 before finally winning.
His 2nd gold in Athens is a moot point. 5000m isn't middle distance. It is long distance.
Middle-distance running events are track races longer than sprints, up to 3000 metres. The standard middle distances are the 800 metres, 1500 metres and mile run
Middle-distance running events are track races longer than sprints, up to 3000 metres. The standard middle distances are the 800 metres, 1500 metres and mile run, although the 3000 metres may also be classified as a middle-di...
The Summer Olympics features four long-distance running events: the 3000 metres steeplechase (which also involves jumping over barriers and water), the 5000 metres, 10,000 metres and marathon.
Long-distance running, or endurance running, is a form of continuous running over distances of at least 3 km (1.9 mi). Physiologically, it is largely aerobic in nature and requires stamina as well as mental strength.Within en...
Then to disappoint you more. Your lord Coe got only a Gold olympic medal in a single distance (one in 1980/1984 boycotted games with in 1984 the absence of the performer of the year ... yeah I go to detail like what you do usually), then you have El G who have two Olympic Golds medals in two different middle distances.
Coe ran 2 Olympic 1500 finals and won both.
Guerrouj ran 3 1500 finals and lost the first 2 before finally winning.
His 2nd gold in Athens is a moot point. 5000m isn't middle distance. It is long distance.
Middle-distance running events are track races longer than sprints, up to 3000 metres. The standard middle distances are the 800 metres, 1500 metres and mile run
The Summer Olympics features four long-distance running events: the 3000 metres steeplechase (which also involves jumping over barriers and water), the 5000 metres, 10,000 metres and marathon.
You just quoted a contradiction. It first said that middle distance was longer than sprints up to 3000m, but then it said long distance includes the 3000m steeplechase. So which is it? Does middle distance go up to 2999m?
He didn't win every race! He was beaten by Scott in a mile in LA in 84 and was 7th in the 1500m WR race in Nice in 85.
Apologies, Nice is not included on his World Athletics page weirdly. The Steve Scott one I mean losing by .01 in the mile in a race in mid-May...if anything I'd count that one to Cruz' favor.
No shame in that but Jakob is turning 22 in a week and I see him limited in his turnover which means he will likely not run faster at 1500m than he has. Then he will probably continue to be a sub 13 and sub 27 man who occasionally wins a global championship for a few more years. This is his ceiling, so best possible personal bests would be 12:40 and 26:25. A pretty good career one might say.
