baa baa wool wrote:
^look at this running dweeb thinking he can change facts^
How about this fact: Whenever the name Simone Biles is ever mentioned again, people will think one thing: Quitter.
Here's another fact. Whenever an otherwise healthy athlete quits during the middle of a competition because they can't handle the pressure, people will think one thing: Simone Biles.
It's unfortunate, but this is now her legacy.
At this point she is the girl that quit. Nothing she has done before or will do after will change that. If she cures cancer she will be the girl that quit when the pressure got too much then later cured cancer.
irunfastXC wrote:
suspicion in the ignition wrote:
She had her legged wrapped after a landing on the vault and consulted the trainers, as reported by ESPN. Yeah, that sounds like a mental problem. Unless you have a source for that claim, it sounds like you're just a typical LRC woman basher.
She literally said it herself in an interview. Physically, she's fine but she was literally shaking because she was so nervous, and kept getting"lost in the air", so to speak.
And believe it or not, mental health IS a medical issue. Just as real as any other injury.
That being said, I do agree this sets a weak precedent. Stress sucks, but you have to learn how to deal with it. I'd never step on the line if I gave in to the overwhelming anxiety I get before races.
lol, you can't compare you running a race "stepping on the line" to doing flips and twists 10 feet in the air with the possibility of landing on your head and dying or have a career ending injury. If her mental condition was bad enough she couldn't safely perform her event, withdrawing was the right move. Mental health is just as real as any other physical injury. If you had a broken femur, you probably wouldn't have "Stepped on the line."
Bound4Glory wrote:
baa baa wool wrote:
^look at this running dweeb thinking he can change facts^
How about this fact: Whenever the name Simone Biles is ever mentioned again, people will think one thing: Quitter.
Here's another fact. Whenever an otherwise healthy athlete quits during the middle of a competition because they can't handle the pressure, people will think one thing: Simone Biles.
It's unfortunate, but this is now her legacy.
People won’t think those, though. Running dweebs might, but not people. How angry are you that she is the GOAT?
not even a runner wrote:
I’m not mad about Biles pulling out; I am mad there is still no tug-of-war in the Olympics. I’m not even joking. What event would be better, pitting nation against nation, than a tug of war? I don’t care how it’s done. Five people on each side, a total weight limit where you can put as many people as possible under that limit, three on three. The possibilities are endless and it’s a shame it hasn’t been done.
This is a good idea. I am sorry that there is not a more specific forum in which you could push this agenda, but if you have to introduce it it on pg. 22 of a Simone Biles thread, so be it. Here's to tug-of-war in '24.
Why do we celebrate people who quit?
I haven't read this whole thread so I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it before. The whole Simone Biles thing reminded me of two events from the distant past.
Anyone old enough and from Boston will remember when Dave Cowens, the toughest guy in the NBA, took an "unpaid leave of absence" from the Celtics, right in the middle of the 1976 season. He said he had just "lost the fire" and returned a couple months later, but it was baffling at the time, at least for the 13 year old me.
Anyone remember Roberto Duran against Sugar Ray Leonard--"no más, no más!" I found that jaw-dropping as a kid too.
(I got over it though eventually.)
mjk63 wrote:
Anyone remember Roberto Duran against Sugar Ray Leonard--"no más, no más!" I found that jaw-dropping as a kid too.
That's the only one that compares (somewhat) to what Simone Biles did. But even then, he was not letting down any teammates.
I bet if you mention "Roberto Duran" to anyone your age or older, the first thing, and the only thing, they think of is "No mas!"
99% of “mental health” issues are nothing more then snowflakes coming up with excuses because life is hard. So no, mental health issues are not as real as physical injuries here.
Bound4Glory wrote:
mjk63 wrote:
Anyone remember Roberto Duran against Sugar Ray Leonard--"no más, no más!" I found that jaw-dropping as a kid too.
That's the only one that compares (somewhat) to what Simone Biles did. But even then, he was not letting down any teammates.
I bet if you mention "Roberto Duran" to anyone your age or older, the first thing, and the only thing, they think of is "No mas!"
Maybe so but it's pretty myopic to remember an all-time great athlete for their worst moment. Duran was a savage. Had like 120 fights, won over 100. Fought in five decades. Five division champ. Only boxer to beat a prime Leonard.
Biles might be the greatest gymnast in history. And like Duran in the ring, not being there mentally could end up with her getting seriously hurt or killed.
Unless you've been an elite athlete in a sport where lack of total concentration could maim or kill you, you need to recognize you have no business rightfully weighing in on the issue beyond "That's too bad."
within 72 hours this issue will involve race which will be the underlying cause.
Yawn^9 wrote:
99% of “mental health” issues are nothing more then snowflakes coming up with excuses because life is hard. So no, mental health issues are not as real as physical injuries here.
Doesn’t sound like you actually know much about the issue. Certainly Biles had enough travails that mental health issues such as PTSD would be unsurprising. Also physical issues can be faked or exaggerated.
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Ajax wrote:
Biles might be the greatest gymnast in history. And like Duran in the ring, not being there mentally could end up with her getting seriously hurt or killed.
I've heard that repeated dozens of times. What are the chances that a female athlete gets seriously hurt on today's vault apparatus? One in ten million? Has it even happened yet with the new vault table?
BS buddy, if you are a landscape laborer and don’t pay attention you could end up maimed or dead,
But a little snowflake girl who has been doing these moves since you were four years old, c’mon man.
And she has four moves named after her!! And she can’t do them!
She quit training a year ago.
Wake up.
She has multiple contracts with sponsors that pay her millions.
These contracts have clauses that will NOT pay in full unless she competes in the Olympics.
She did one vault.
She gets paid.
Sneaky Biles Team huh?
Ajax wrote:
Maybe so but it's pretty myopic to remember an all-time great athlete for their worst moment.
Not at all. I'm not a boxing fan. I don't think I've seen him compete even once. The only thing I know about him is that he gave up versus Sugar Ray Leonard.
Nuge wrote:
Wake up.
She has multiple contracts with sponsors that pay her millions.
These contracts have clauses that will NOT pay in full unless she competes in the Olympics.
She did one vault.
She gets paid.
Yes! Love me some good conspiracy theories!
ohthatword wrote:
within 72 hours this issue will involve race which will be the underlying cause.
Yepp..can’t argue anything once the race card comes out
Nuge wrote:
Wake up.
She has multiple contracts with sponsors that pay her millions.
These contracts have clauses that will NOT pay in full unless she competes in the Olympics.
She did one vault.
She gets paid.
She already appeared on all four events. Maybe the contract states she has to make it past the qualifying round? That would work.
It's quite plausible that she knew before she even stepped onto the floor that she would do one vault and call it quits. How else does the "Greatest Of All Time" forget how to do things a 10 year old can do?
The only question is why? She qualified number one in the world for the all-around, so she's clearly in top form. What does she gain by quitting? Struggling with this one....
Correct, there is no DSM V entry for the “yips” or the “twisties,” but the issue does have to do with brain functioning. It has to do with motor programs that are learned to a point of being carried out mostly unconsciously. That is how they should be carried out. When an athlete makes mistakes there can be an intrusion of conscious thinking that only interferes with the execution of the overlearned, automatic behavior. Will is not the solution, it is the problem. This is why it’s hard to correct, because more effort hurts more than it helps.
In some ways it’s kind of like a functional neurological symptoms disorder, but not exactly. In that case it’s more like action (or experience) taking place without a sense of will (or agency). But both are very much problems of mind/brain functioning.
I do not know the rules and competition points of gymnastics. Please explain. How is withdrawing an impact on the other USA athletes? Is it like XC where your best runner just bails before the gun?