Official LRC President Donald J Trump Thread

agip wrote:

haven't read the article, but generally agree that there isn't yet much sign of a crime on the part of DJT senior yet. Cohen, Jr, Ivanka yes, and they will each be indicted, but not senior. Yet. Sr. is a total survivor and has his minions and kids do the kind of work that puts people up against a federal prosecutor. Slimeball.

Even the trumpiest of m@gas will have to admit now that Trump, while running for president, hid from the American people that he had a lot of money to gain should Russia approve his trump tower Moscow. And that Trump designed US policy to Russia knowing that he had much money to gain should Russia approve of his policy proposals. He hid that from you, m@gas.

If M@gas were normal, rational people, that alone would mean they would stop supporting this president. Imagine if Obama had hid a large investment in Iran when he was trying to get the iran nuclear deal done. Repubs would be apoplectic. But m@gas don't care Trump does it, because they are amoral dolts.

I will say that it's pretty likely that Trump lied in his answers to Mueller's questions. It is not a coincidence that Mueller and Cohen waited for Trump to submit his answers before moving ahead. From the very very beginning, trumpers have underestimated what the federal government knows about Trumpist crimes. I'm sure Trump fell into the same trap. his lawyers are awful and Trump is stupid.

I mean the CIA had MBS's texts. That's how much they know.

Flagpole wrote:

Gonna Have to Disagree wrote:

Nope.

Matters not whether Trump has one's interest in mind. Matters only that Trump helps to achieve one's interests.

And if one can correctly predict that Trump will help to achieve one's interests (which is not difficult to do) then one is not a moron for voting for Trump (matters not what an a-hole, liar, thief, traitor or otherwise he is).

My point is that you can NOT predict what Trump will do. You can't listen to what he says and bank on anything because he lies constantly about all things big and small. He has even made the NRA sweat already more than any President of any party in recent memory. As Big Al said and I agree with, NOT a moron for voting for him in 2016, but NOW a moron if you continue to back him.

Now, if you are one of the few people in the country who has the same goals as Trump (illegally and unethically enrich Trump and the Trump Organization), and you still back him, THEN I will agree you are not a moron. THEN you are just an unethical criminal POS.

Any normal US citizen who continues to back this serial liar for any reason is a moron. What are you going to take to the bank with him? The wall? Saving US auto jobs? Locking up Hillary? Having a corporate tax cut that benefits average working-class Americans? NONE of that has happened. NONE of that will happen. He said he was the biggest supporter of the NRA that the NRA has ever seen in a President and then he starts talking about age restrictions for certain types of guns...WTF! That is not part of the platform there Orange One.

Your point would hold water IF we were dealing with a normal human being as President. Trump is not normal, and we have too much information about him to sensibly back him anymore. MORONIC to do so.

Flagpole wrote:

agip wrote:

haven't read the article, but generally agree that there isn't yet much sign of a crime on the part of DJT senior yet. Cohen, Jr, Ivanka yes, and they will each be indicted, but not senior. Yet. Sr. is a total survivor and has his minions and kids do the kind of work that puts people up against a federal prosecutor. Slimeball.

Even the trumpiest of m@gas will have to admit now that Trump, while running for president, hid from the American people that he had a lot of money to gain should Russia approve his trump tower Moscow. And that Trump designed US policy to Russia knowing that he had much money to gain should Russia approve of his policy proposals. He hid that from you, m@gas.

If M@gas were normal, rational people, that alone would mean they would stop supporting this president. Imagine if Obama had hid a large investment in Iran when he was trying to get the iran nuclear deal done. Repubs would be apoplectic. But m@gas don't care Trump does it, because they are amoral dolts.

I will say that it's pretty likely that Trump lied in his answers to Mueller's questions. It is not a coincidence that Mueller and Cohen waited for Trump to submit his answers before moving ahead. From the very very beginning, trumpers have underestimated what the federal government knows about Trumpist crimes. I'm sure Trump fell into the same trap. his lawyers are awful and Trump is stupid.

I mean the CIA had MBS's texts. That's how much they know.

I agree that this latest Cohen revelation by itself doesn't spell legal problems for Trump. The ethical ones are there in spades though. Trump lies publicly about dealings in Russia. Russia knows that Trump lied. This is leverage that they have over him...likely not the only leverage either. This is kompromat. This is what Flynn had to be fired over.

This is part of the puzzle that shows a President who is forming US policy based on what he wants to enrich himself, either right now or after he is done in office. He knows it is wrong, so we have the coverup (and perhaps covering up even more). The coverup is Obstruction of Justice, and there are many instances of this that we know of already and probably ones we don't.

All of this just fuels the legitimacy of the investigations the Democrats will engage in when they take the House over in January.

The Trump Organization will be ultimately officially declared a criminal enterprise (this could take YEARS to do this). Don Jr., Ivanka, and perhaps Eric will spend some time in prison, unless they are pardoned by Trump or Pence or whomever is President next.

Trump will be "charged" with (could just be politically as in impeachment process only or could be legal as in after he is out of office, or both):

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury (added this one now that he has responded to Mueller -- just don't believe everything he and his lawyers answered there will all be verified truthful...and it won't be about the weather as Trump said (good freakin' grief). For perjury it has to be something material.

Money Laundering

Bank fraud or conspiracy to commit

Wire fraud or conspiracy to commit

FELONY Campaign Finance violation (already an unindicted co-conspirator)

Conspiracy with Russia against the United States of America

Logan Act violation (if they are even interested)

Emoluments Clause violation (if they are even interested)

Some sort of hacking law violation or conspiracy to commit

Some sort of RICO thing if not already covered in another charge

Wiretap Act violation

Uniform Trade Secrets Act violation

Conspiracy to commit trespass to chattels

Some sort of computer crimes act violation

Likely some other things too

It will also be shown that he was compromised with regard to Russia at a minimum and perhaps other countries.

We will likely continue to discover how criminal he and his family are long after he is out of office.

As we sit here today, I still don't think he will spend any time in prison, but he SHOULD, and if he were anyone BUT the President of the United States, he WOULD. As I have said several times now, if I am wrong about anything, THIS is what I will be wrong about as there is a chance that he WILL spend time in jail.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

Gonna Have to Disagree wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

My point is that you can NOT predict what Trump will do. You can't listen to what he says and bank on anything because he lies constantly about all things big and small. He has even made the NRA sweat already more than any President of any party in recent memory. As Big Al said and I agree with, NOT a moron for voting for him in 2016, but NOW a moron if you continue to back him.

Now, if you are one of the few people in the country who has the same goals as Trump (illegally and unethically enrich Trump and the Trump Organization), and you still back him, THEN I will agree you are not a moron. THEN you are just an unethical criminal POS.

Any normal US citizen who continues to back this serial liar for any reason is a moron. What are you going to take to the bank with him? The wall? Saving US auto jobs? Locking up Hillary? Having a corporate tax cut that benefits average working-class Americans? NONE of that has happened. NONE of that will happen. He said he was the biggest supporter of the NRA that the NRA has ever seen in a President and then he starts talking about age restrictions for certain types of guns...WTF! That is not part of the platform there Orange One.

Your point would hold water IF we were dealing with a normal human being as President. Trump is not normal, and we have too much information about him to sensibly back him anymore. MORONIC to do so.

Nope.

I'm gonna have to back "Unethical Criminal POS". Well, on second thought, I don't think that the "criminal" part has been established for a Trump voter. So, that leaves us with "Unethical POS".

And THAT's my final answer!

agip wrote:

Flagpole wrote:

I agree that this latest Cohen revelation by itself doesn't spell legal problems for Trump. The ethical ones are there in spades though. Trump lies publicly about dealings in Russia. Russia knows that Trump lied. This is leverage that they have over him...likely not the only leverage either. This is kompromat. This is what Flynn had to be fired over.

This is part of the puzzle that shows a President who is forming US policy based on what he wants to enrich himself, either right now or after he is done in office. He knows it is wrong, so we have the coverup (and perhaps covering up even more). The coverup is Obstruction of Justice, and there are many instances of this that we know of already and probably ones we don't.

All of this just fuels the legitimacy of the investigations the Democrats will engage in when they take the House over in January.

The Trump Organization will be ultimately officially declared a criminal enterprise (this could take YEARS to do this). Don Jr., Ivanka, and perhaps Eric will spend some time in prison, unless they are pardoned by Trump or Pence or whomever is President next.

Trump will be "charged" with (could just be politically as in impeachment process only or could be legal as in after he is out of office, or both):

Obstruction of Justice

Perjury (added this one now that he has responded to Mueller -- just don't believe everything he and his lawyers answered there will all be verified truthful...and it won't be about the weather as Trump said (good freakin' grief). For perjury it has to be something material.

Money Laundering

Bank fraud or conspiracy to commit

Wire fraud or conspiracy to commit

FELONY Campaign Finance violation (already an unindicted co-conspirator)

Conspiracy with Russia against the United States of America

Logan Act violation (if they are even interested)

Emoluments Clause violation (if they are even interested)

Some sort of hacking law violation or conspiracy to commit

Some sort of RICO thing if not already covered in another charge

Wiretap Act violation

Uniform Trade Secrets Act violation

Conspiracy to commit trespass to chattels

Some sort of computer crimes act violation

Likely some other things too

It will also be shown that he was compromised with regard to Russia at a minimum and perhaps other countries.

We will likely continue to discover how criminal he and his family are long after he is out of office.

As we sit here today, I still don't think he will spend any time in prison, but he SHOULD, and if he were anyone BUT the President of the United States, he WOULD. As I have said several times now, if I am wrong about anything, THIS is what I will be wrong about as there is a chance that he WILL spend time in jail.

Mueller is coming.

The clown is done.

y'all forgot tampering with witnesses, which he does regularly on Twitter. Esp. today.

If spanks had threatened witnesses in a secret phone call, we'd legit be shocked by his secrecy. But he does it in the open, so m@gas just say 'aw that's just donald let it go.'

I don't think mueller will let it go.