So Farah is not a great runner for you. I disagree, with the medals he has won and the range from 1500m to the Marathon he has displayed, he IS a great runner. But not in the class of Bekele, Gebrselassie, Kipchoge, El Guerrouj.
Ingebrigtsen already was a great runner at age 23 (and even before). If he already should be ranked ahead of Farah is a point of personal preferences. I would say yes, because of his fantastic records and his many top results besides the global championships. But for sure Farah's 10 Golds are also a very strong argument.
I put Farah well ahead of Ingebrigtsen so far. His 10 championship golds are in another league from Ingebrigtsen's 4 and Ingebrigtsen's 3 wrs over non-championship distances don't close that gap. If he held the 1500, mile and 5k wrs I might take a different view.
Many other factors which alaso prefer Ingebrigtsen.
5000m isn't and never was middle distance, it's long distance.
But that's completely irrelevant. You just always refer to middle distance running and to long distance running, that you can downplay his achievements (he isn't one of the all-time great long distance runners - nobody has ever said he already is). But from 1500m to 5000m he without any doubt he is one of the greatest in history. Already at age 24. Will he be successful in the 10000m? We can't know at the moment - but I'm absolutely sure you are not that sure that he won't as you always pretend to be.
El G was a md runner. His 5k victory in Athens didn't turn him into a distance runner. Same for Ingebrigtsen. He isn't - yet - a distance runner.
However if you rate his achievements at his best events, the 1500 - 5k, he is nowhere near as good as El G was. He never will be now. He's lost too many championship global finals over the 1500.
5000m isn't and never was middle distance, it's long distance.
You can change the topic as often as you want - it will not change this easy fact which anybody is aware of.
Ingebrigtsen is Olympic, two times World and three times European champion in a long distance event.
El Guerrouj is Olympic champ and World silver medalist in a long distance event.
Of Noah Lyles runs a 5000m, it will not become a sprint event.
El G was a md runner. His 5k victory in Athens didn't turn him into a distance runner. Same for Ingebrigtsen. He isn't - yet - a distance runner.
However if you rate his achievements at his best events, the 1500 - 5k, he is nowhere near as good as El G was. He never will be now. He's lost too many championship global finals over the 1500.
5000m isn't and never was middle distance, it's long distance.
You are mistaken, again. I do not defend or promote doping. I am pro-training. Deep down you must know this, but something defective in your thought processes wants to "hear something different". Your persistent behavior is immoral.
El G was a md runner. His 5k victory in Athens didn't turn him into a distance runner. Same for Ingebrigtsen. He isn't - yet - a distance runner.
However if you rate his achievements at his best events, the 1500 - 5k, he is nowhere near as good as El G was. He never will be now. He's lost too many championship global finals over the 1500.
5000m isn't and never was middle distance, it's long distance.
You can change the topic as often as you want - it will not change this easy fact which anybody is aware of.
Ingebrigtsen is Olympic, two times World and three times European champion in a long distance event.
El Guerrouj is Olympic champ and World silver medalist in a long distance event.
Of Noah Lyles runs a 5000m, it will not become a sprint event.
Astonishing what has to be explained for you.
It is merely your opinion. It changes nothing and doesn't make Ingebrigtsen any faster than he has so far shown over the longer distances.
You are mistaken, again. I do not defend or promote doping. I am pro-training. Deep down you must know this, but something defective in your thought processes wants to "hear something different". Your persistent behavior is immoral.
You deny that doping does what countless athletes use it for, which is to improve performance. If it didn't, it wouldn't be the global practice that it is.
Only in this echo chamber. El G was not a long distance runner, but md. Same with Ingebrigtsen.
Changing goal posts again, dumbo? The 5,000m is long distance. Your flailing doesn't change that.
It is only long distance to those of you who would clearly struggle to finish it, Nancy. Combined with a 1500 runner it can be md. It is a distance event for those who also run the longer events. El G, the md runner, thus beat Bekele, the distance runner. It didn't turn El G into a distance runner.
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Changing goal posts again, dumbo? The 5,000m is long distance. Your flailing doesn't change that.
It is only long distance to those of you who would clearly struggle to finish it, Nancy. Combined with a 1500 runner it can be md. It is a distance event for those who also run the longer events. El G, the md runner, thus beat Bekele, the distance runner. It didn't turn El G into a distance runner.
It is only long distance to those of you who would clearly struggle to finish it, Nancy. Combined with a 1500 runner it can be md. It is a distance event for those who also run the longer events. El G, the md runner, thus beat Bekele, the distance runner. It didn't turn El G into a distance runner.
Nancy? Lol
5,000m is a long distance event.
You are dismissed.
It is only long distance to Ingebrigtsen, who is nowhere near the fastest in the event, Nancy. As for longer events, he simply isn't on the board. It is very unlikely he ever will be.
It is only long distance to Ingebrigtsen, who is nowhere near the fastest in the event, Nancy. As for longer events, he simply isn't on the board. It is very unlikely he ever will be.
5000m is a long distance event it doesn't depend on who runs it: it's always and for anybody a long distance event.
You are mistaken, again. I do not defend or promote doping. I am pro-training. Deep down you must know this, but something defective in your thought processes wants to "hear something different". Your persistent behavior is immoral.
You deny that doping does what countless athletes use it for, which is to improve performance. If it didn't, it wouldn't be the global practice that it is.
I am pro evidence-based knowledge.
I am just waiting for the relevant performance data and evidence and observations that would promote such hypothetical speculative inferences to established knowledge.
It is only long distance to Ingebrigtsen, who is nowhere near the fastest in the event, Nancy. As for longer events, he simply isn't on the board. It is very unlikely he ever will be.
Why are you calling me Nancy? Some gay fetish you have?
The 5000m is a long distance event. You are ignorant.
What most posters on this thread don't get is that nothing they say about Ingebrigtsen makes him faster than what he has so far run over the 5k, or makes him a competitive 10k runner - or longer. He may be, but until it is achieved it remains conjecture and cannot be accepted as fact until he demonstrates what some believe he is capable of in the distance events. I happen to think he is an md runner and the distance events are not his strength. With what he has so far achieved it is a tenable view.
What a laughable comment.
Who ever has said Ingebrigtsen is the 5000m WR holder? Or he is the 10000m Olympic champ? Some have stated they think he can achieve this or that or something else.
You on the other hand have staded it's unrealistic that he ever will get the 5000m WR (not: you don't believe he will get the record but: it's UNREALISTIC). For sure it's not unrealistic that the by far fastest in history over the two closest distances who never has had a race for a fast time in the last three seasons but has won any big title available for him in this period get's the WR. I'm still sceptical that he will get the record, but it's not unrealistic (something like 30%? more?).
The main reason you gave again and again why you believe he will not get the record: "12:48". Dozens of time (never just a single word to the fact that he hasn't tried to run fast).
Just laughable.
People were skeptical about 1500m indoors, then about 2 miles, then 2000m, very skeptical about 3000m, now they are skeptical about 1500 and 5000, then they will be skeptical about 3000m steeplechase and 10000 and so on...
Army shifting the goalposts to world records in championship distances is funny considering how highly he's talked about the 3000 world record before, how nobody would beat it, and now it's arguably the strongest world record ever set on the track
And yes, 3000 and above is long distance running.
Great runners win championship titles and set records over championship distances.
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