sincerelyasking wrote:
A handful of genuine questions to the *trump2028!!! and TheAdultInTheRoom types in this thread. Can you clarify your thoughts on below:
If Hunter Biden’s $50k per month board seat with a Ukrainian energy company really grinds your gears, how do you feel about Jared Kushner, who holds over $2.5B (that’s a B, kids) in investment from Saudi Arabia and other totalitarian states in the Middle East, guiding diplomatic and economic decisions from within the walls of the White House with those same countries? To be clear, I found Hunter’s board seat to be inappropriate, but I find Kushner’s involvement in ME negations orders of magnitude more problematic.
If Biden’s autopen bothers you so much, how do you feel about Trump blanket pardoning 1,600 people who attacked the Capitol on January 6, 2021, many of whom had violent records, physically assaulted police on that day, and immediately committed more violent crime within days of their release? To be clear, I don’t think any President should have pardon powers.
If rising prices and lower than desirable jobs reports under Biden bothered you so much, how do you feel about additional inflation from the Trump Tariffs and negative figure job reports under Trump? I think current Democratic policies are American Business Party Light, but Trump’s policies are economically absurd and the regressive tax nature of his tariffs are objectively negative for an overwhelming majority of the country. Also, why do you celebrate onshoring low margin products and services while offshoring high margin products and services? This topic really confuses me.
If the national debt is such a concern for you, how did you feel about Trump adding 30% to the national debt in his first term (trending with record deficits even if ignoring COVID-19 recovery, a lot of which happened under Biden anyway) and how do you feel about him running record deficits in this second term?
How do you reconcile these realities in your heads? I’ve had some long conversations with a very close friend of mine who is pro MAGA. The conversations have never gotten ugly, but he also can’t be pinned down to answer a question. I remember before the election he said, “Trump’s just messing around, he’d never actually go that hardcore on tariffs.” After the election my friend has decided we just shouldn’t talk about tariffs because “it’s not worth getting into it.”
I don’t personally know a single Dem voter who won’t call out Dem missteps and I don’t personally know a single MAGA voter who will voice concern about Trump. Very confusing.
I think the sports analogy helps the most. Trumpers have picked their their team. Trump. And they are fans of this team no matter what. They are diehard fans that will excuse all of their team’s faults and disparage the same faults of their opponents. There is no rationality or logic behind it other than my team good and your team bad. So no discussion will sway them from the love of their team. They have way too much invested in the team.
Trumpers of course will say that opponents of Trump are doing the same. And in many cases they are. But opponents of Trump are a wide swath of former Republicans, conservatives, democrats, liberals and many that were even a part of Trumps administrations. And of course Trump is hated globally. Which we might view as unbiased observers to an extent.
That's why I think it is an fools errand to try to get people to switch teams. Trumpism needs to implode on them for them to learn. Unfortunately it will implode on everyone too.
Because ETTD
