Oh, believe me, medical school is full of selfish bullies. In fact, I know of one in medical school right now, and she makes Mary look like Mother Teresa.
We merged two Mary Cain threads into 1. The 2nd one was entitled, "Update: Mary Cain makes another sexual allegation - Alberto Salazar looked at her exposed breasts while she was sleeping"
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You can express your feelings to close family and friends, and hopefully to a therapist in Mary's case. You don't need to put it in a book.
In America, she can also put them in a book.
Why are you expecting the victim of abuse to jump through your own hoops according to your rules?
....and have everyone who wishes react to that book. Those reactions may or may not be what's hoped for.
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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Is there any behavior that you'd seem off-limits for Mary? Or does being an abuse victim absolve her of any responsibility for her future actions?
Why shouldn't she write a book about her personal experience? I'm listening.
Illegal behavior would seem to me to be off limits behavior.
Why are you suddenly talking about being absolved from responsibility?
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looking at you kid wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
In America, she can also put them in a book.
Why are you expecting the victim of abuse to jump through your own hoops according to your rules?
....and have everyone who wishes react to that book. Those reactions may or may not be what's hoped for.
Why should the reactions of others play any role in her decision to write about her own experience?
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She is the type of person who will be shocked to receive online and even in person negative feedback. She may regret writing the book.
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rekrunner wrote:
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Just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Is there any behavior that you'd seem off-limits for Mary? Or does being an abuse victim absolve her of any responsibility for her future actions?
Why shouldn't she write a book about her personal experience? I'm listening.
Illegal behavior would seem to me to be off limits behavior.
Why are you suddenly talking about being absolved from responsibility?
She can write a book about her personal experience, but A) Her story has been told to death, we get it, and B) Most people find it tacky and immature to include such petty issues like being smiled at the wrong way and calling out said "mis-smilers" by name. Even if you disagree with A, there were plenty of appropriate ways to go about telling her story without resorting to a TMZ-style burn book. I'm sorry you can't understand this distinction, but I guess in your mind as long as someone is an abuse victim, they should feel free to act in whatever inappropriate (but legal!) way they want.
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Oh, believe me, medical school is full of selfish bullies. In fact, I know of one in medical school right now, and she makes Mary look like Mother Teresa.
Lots of mean girls in some industries--medicine, finance, media, education and business. They hide it better than the comparable idiot males IMO and are more cunning.
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rekrunner wrote:
looking at you kid wrote:
....and have everyone who wishes react to that book. Those reactions may or may not be what's hoped for.
Why should the reactions of others play any role in her decision to write about her own experience?
I didn't say it did however I've seen your act in the drug responses you post and assume you will draw in all sorts of circular points to prove you are correct.
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I’ve been listening to some of the audiobook and she mentioned that people on LR were posting nasty things about her when she was in HS. Bravo to her!
Hopefully people understand that many high schoolers read this website and people need to be careful what they post about them
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She's the equivalent of a child star in Hollywood. The life is what the life is and it tends to destroy a lot of people. Being singled out for being special your whole youth and winning every race creates problems and going pro and finding out you're not special anymore when racing against adults creates a host of problems. Everyone's a bad guy when it doesn't work even though everyone may have been trying their best. As you step up in class, the deck gets reshuffled. No shortage of runners who peaked and maxed out in high school.
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Mean posts about minors are deleted. Mean posts about many senior runners are also deleted.
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See post 11 in this thread. One thing that she mentioned about in the audio book
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See post 11 in this thread. One thing that she mentioned about in the audio book
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looking at you kid wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
Why should the reactions of others play any role in her decision to write about her own experience?
I didn't say it did however I've seen your act in the drug responses you post and assume you will draw in all sorts of circular points to prove you are correct.
Do I need to prove that it is correct to sympathize with a victim of abuse, rather than join a long line of abusers and continue to bully her? I'm just trying to understand the lack of sympathy.
In a country that values freedom of speech, she is free to write a book about her experience, just as we are free to read it, and or discuss it, or not.
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reer wrote:
She can write a book about her personal experience, but A) Her story has been told to death, we get it, and B) Most people find it tacky and immature to include such petty issues like being smiled at the wrong way and calling out said "mis-smilers" by name. Even if you disagree with A, there were plenty of appropriate ways to go about telling her story without resorting to a TMZ-style burn book. I'm sorry you can't understand this distinction, but I guess in your mind as long as someone is an abuse victim, they should feel free to act in whatever inappropriate (but legal!) way they want.
If you already know her story, you don't have to read it again, or discuss it here. I didn't know that AlSal was watching her sleep with her breasts exposed. Or of the friction in high school, and coaches talking about high school girls' sex lives.
In my mind, everyone "should feel free to act in whatever inappropriate (but legal!) way they want". I make no distinction between the abused or the non-abused. I make other distinctions, but none based on abuse.
But who said she did anything inappropriate? Is it really inappropriate to say Jenny Simpson's smile felt unfriendly? Is this all about her telling us about a smile she didn't like? You think Jenny is upset and will sue? Why is it so important for you to police Mary's right to express how she felt about a smile?
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Someone needs to read the damn book and report back. I'm the worst candidate because of my verbal diarrhea, so...let me try it this way...
Cain's book starts with her imagining what Steve Prefontaine would think of Nike today. She says the company perpetuates a culture of overtraining and abuse and markets it's athletes as products. She has a point, whether you agree with it or not.
But then she wonders about people who only know about her by the carefully cultivated image that Demon Nike has presented. She asks if people would love or even care about her if they knew who she really was. It's somewhat of a trick question, as we wouldn't know anything about her if she didn't tell her story the way she told it.
The tension between the praise and harsh judgments (which isn't exclusive to her; see: Galen Rupp) is going to be ever-present in this book. Hey, my autocorrect changed "Galen" to "Galena" Rupp...that's some Daisy Hogg stuff, right there. If that went over your head, a notorious online community took gun control advocate David Hogg and, through Photoshop, changed him into his sister, Daisy, who staunchly supports the 2nd Amendment.
This is going to be a good read...
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better than blogsnark wrote:
IKnowIt wrote:
Oh, believe me, medical school is full of selfish bullies. In fact, I know of one in medical school right now, and she makes Mary look like Mother Teresa.
Lots of mean girls in some industries--medicine, finance, media, education and business. They hide it better than the comparable idiot males IMO and are more cunning.
A big difference is that males something directly to a person whereas a woman will go behind their back. They'll be nice to them face-to-face but stab them in the back. The way that males do it is better because at least you know where they stand.
Nothing like a Mary Cain thread to bring people out of the woodwork.
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Who is the other high school girl that Salazar coached before Mary and Kara? Mary talks about her in the book and I can’t figure it out
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