DJT indicted on four counts related to January 6

agip wrote:

This is the important one wrote:

As far as the legal opinions, it makes a lot of sense that they’d be all over the place: no case like this has ever been brought before. I’m not a lawyer, and we’ll see how it goes, but as an observer I also know no one has ever tried to do what Trump tried to do. It seems to me a case had to be brought, because Trump was alarmingly close finding enough patsies and yes men to affect the election. I understand where Glenn Greenwald is coming from about the perception on the right that this is entire political, and of course that’s a MAJOR concern. But you know, there are also widely held perceptions on the right that scientists and reporters make stuff up, Venezuela programs voting machines to help democrats, and that democrats drink children’s blood to stay young. If you can’t bring serious court cases because half the country is nuts, it seems to me the game is already over.

POD

Jeff Wigand wrote:

TruthTellinIt wrote:

Pence: Let’s be clear on this point. It wasn't that they asked for a pause. The president specifically asked me and his gaggle of crackpot lawyers asked me to literally reject votes which would have resulted in the issue of being turned over to the house of representatives.

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This was their big gambit: Pence rejects the electors that Trump has said were invalid, then neither Trump or Biden have 270 electoral college votes, then the question on the presidency goes to the House where the reps vote en bloc by state and because Republicans controlled a majority of the states (26 to 24, I believe) they thought they could get the House to secure the presidency for him.

When the lawsuits failed and he couldn’t get states to throw out ballots or find fake ones, Trump’s means of holding onto power rested on Pence going rogue on what the Constitution says his role is and creating a Constitutional crisis and hoping that Alito, Thomas and his three newly installed Supreme Court justices would all rule in his favor when the matter would inevitably be brought to them. After all, as Noname has noted here “they” have the Supreme Court, rule of law be damned.

Plan 1 wrote:

Jeff Wigand wrote:

This was their big gambit: Pence rejects the electors that Trump has said were invalid, then neither Trump or Biden have 270 electoral college votes, then the question on the presidency goes to the House where the reps vote en bloc by state and because Republicans controlled a majority of the states (26 to 24, I believe) they thought they could get the House to secure the presidency for him.

When the lawsuits failed and he couldn’t get states to throw out ballots or find fake ones, Trump’s means of holding onto power rested on Pence going rogue on what the Constitution says his role is and creating a Constitutional crisis and hoping that Alito, Thomas and his three newly installed Supreme Court justices would all rule in his favor when the matter would inevitably be brought to them. After all, as Noname has noted here “they” have the Supreme Court, rule of law be damned.

There were multiple plans, two primary plans. The other primary plan was for the rioters to kill either Pence or Pelosi. Trump then declare martial law because killing members of Congress is bad. Trump then appoints a martial law attorney general, co-conspirator Jeffrey Clark. Clark, a rabid Trumper, then allows Trump to invoke insurrection act (he would stop every attempt to stop Trump). With full control of the military Trump can use it against civilians he doesn't like ... dangerous blue cities and blue politicians.

There were likely other plans, but the the Insurrection Act and Fake Electors are the two main ones. Another might have been to a M-A-G-A army, with loyal gun nuts would be granted military authority by Trump, meaning they could commander military weapons -- tanks, machine guns, drones, missile launchers -- to protect Trump.

Jeff Wigand wrote:

Trollminator wrote:

Word. They are crying now because they simply want him to get away with it. No one is defending him with respect to the charges. No one is reading the document. Let's just all pretend the guy is not a criminal and let it go, lolz. Even Nikki is out there saying she will pardon him. They they don't even try to pretend he's not a criminal.

The whole GOP field is a display on the spectrum of cowardice. Hutchinson has come against him the hardest of the field just because he hopes Trump’s image cracks his supporters realize the Emperor’s had no clothes on the whole time. The rest of them are privately hoping for the same but trying to garner favor with the Trumpists by attacking the justice system and saying that they would pardon him on day one.

Commode flusher wrote:

Noyankee wrote:

nobody trying to prevent anything. will gladly take a prisoner for president vs. whatever scum you put out there sending bombs to kill kids. if thats how we protect our children, then that's how we do it. its entertainnmet really watching your little temper tantrums evolve

I don't know, Yankee Doodle. We saw a lot of predictions of civil war and violent uprisings before the Mar-A-Lago documents Indictment. Kari Lake said:

“If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and you’re going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me. And I’m going to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat – that’s a public service announcement."

She also said:

“We will not let you lay a finger on President Trump. Frankly, now is the time to cling to our guns and our religion.”

I don't have time or energy to recount all that rhetoric from high profile Trump fans, but there was a lot of it. And now it's mostly gone for the new Fraud Electors Indictment. I think you guys have been beaten down. You're more servile and defeated. It's like you're on your knees this time around and have accepted your fate and lowly status in society.

Noyankee wrote:

Commode flusher wrote:

I don't know, Yankee Doodle. We saw a lot of predictions of civil war and violent uprisings before the Mar-A-Lago documents Indictment. Kari Lake said:

“If you want to get to President Trump, you’re going to have to go through me, and you’re going to have to go through 75 million Americans just like me. And I’m going to tell you, most of us are card-carrying members of the NRA. That’s not a threat – that’s a public service announcement."

She also said:

“We will not let you lay a finger on President Trump. Frankly, now is the time to cling to our guns and our religion.”

I don't have time or energy to recount all that rhetoric from high profile Trump fans, but there was a lot of it. And now it's mostly gone for the new Fraud Electors Indictment. I think you guys have been beaten down. You're more servile and defeated. It's like you're on your knees this time around and have accepted your fate and lowly status in society.

No clue what you’re talking about but nobody defeated here, unless you eliminate the vote. things look better everyday. you can have the guy taking bribes and bombing kids, I got the fake prisoner. of course, I’ve also got the Supreme Court, a little known Constitutional thing you care to ignore. but you can wave your pink Pom poms all you want. Sun is rising