The crux of the matter in this ‘sport’ is how biology can be altered with pharma aids, yet somehow the ‘cleanliness’ of the ‘sport’ demands pharma-aids to be filtered out of the performance (unless accompanied by a not-for-fan-consumption TUE), when actually it provides a lynchpin by which the athletes are performing puppets, their strings being pulled by the sport’s enablers.
You hit upon the topic where one poster might claim an athlete is ‘clean’ in college, while expected to go ‘dirty’ when getting paid as a pro. But what about the case of the college athlete already getting paid thru NIL?
Is their an unwritten understanding in this ‘sport’ that once an athlete starts getting paid to perform, and gets shuttled into select meets (e.g., Milrose), they will be expected to do the necessary ‘things’ to perform?
They hate when we tell them how much Mu scores in the 800 as compared to Tuohy in the 1500. Then we are told not to compare events.
I love hearing how much Mu scores. She is my favorite track athlete. Hoping she is ok and back racing soon! Now Mu’s trolls, sadly she has many, are savage and unlike the wanna be trolls on the Tuohy threads like this one, can even challenge me at times.
But there is absolutely no reason to compare Tuohy to Mu. They may someday meet in the 1500, but for now they are not remotely alike. Mu is an 800/400 runner and Tuohy starts at 1500 and goes up.
The posters on this site have a hard time accepting that our very best athletes in t&f are, in order, sprinters, hurdlers, jumpers, throwers, then mid d and lastly, distance.
Mu is a world class talent, Olympic and World champion and set NCAA records immediately as a Freshman before leaving college due to absolutely no competition for her there.
Tuohy is really good, and perhaps will be among the best women's distance runners the US has produced. ...But the US is not now, and for the foreseeable future, going to win in any distance events in the world stage. Tuohy isn't yet a top 3 talent in any of her events in the US and perhaps a d3 runner is faster than her this year in college. ...Mu was dominating the world during her brief college career!
Here we go, a quick look at the women's 10k. As slow qualifying times were posted in Raleigh and Jacksonville, and blistering fast times were posted in the perfect weather of Palo Alto and Sacramento, it's easy to write off the East. So I looked at the past couple times this group has met.
Chelangat, Olemomoi and Chmiel are proven; Venters, Kemboi, Mazza-Downie, Larkin, Frentheway despite improvement and fast times, not as much.
On to the race. Like the 1500 and 5k we know these athletes by now. Kemboi, Venters, Chelangat and Olemomoi will form a lead group and try to run away at the front. Chmiel and Hays will organize a chase group with Mazza-Downie, Kostarellis, Vestri, Frentheway and Larkin. At 4.5 miles the carnage sets in up front with Chelangat and Venters falling off, while the chasers behind Chmiel make their surge.
In a surprising finish, swamp tested Olemomoi holds off Kemboi for the win. Charging Chmiel is third ahead of Chelangat in 4th. Mazza-Downie is 5th, followed by Venters, Larkin and Hays.
Here we go, a quick look at the women's 10k. As slow qualifying times were posted in Raleigh and Jacksonville, and blistering fast times were posted in the perfect weather of Palo Alto and Sacramento, it's easy to write off the East. So I looked at the past couple times this group has met.
Chelangat, Olemomoi and Chmiel are proven; Venters, Kemboi, Mazza-Downie, Larkin, Frentheway despite improvement and fast times, not as much.
On to the race. Like the 1500 and 5k we know these athletes by now. Kemboi, Venters, Chelangat and Olemomoi will form a lead group and try to run away at the front. Chmiel and Hays will organize a chase group with Mazza-Downie, Kostarellis, Vestri, Frentheway and Larkin. At 4.5 miles the carnage sets in up front with Chelangat and Venters falling off, while the chasers behind Chmiel make their surge.
In a surprising finish, swamp tested Olemomoi holds off Kemboi for the win. Charging Chmiel is third ahead of Chelangat in 4th. Mazza-Downie is 5th, followed by Venters, Larkin and Hays.
I forgot that Chmiel finished so high during indoors. She really does well in championships.
If Venters is on point, I think she can win. She looked so strong in the 10k at Mt Sac(?). I would say that Kemboi is her biggest competition, but Chelangat looked good at SEC's. Even though she lost to Valby, her coach said they were in the middle of a heavy training block. So she may be on an upswing again.
I could see Olemomoi, Chelangat, Kemboi or Venters winning this one. Chmiel a podium contender. Kostarellis, Vestri,and Mazza Downie in the mix.
Here we go, a quick look at the women's 10k. As slow qualifying times were posted in Raleigh and Jacksonville, and blistering fast times were posted in the perfect weather of Palo Alto and Sacramento, it's easy to write off the East. So I looked at the past couple times this group has met.
Chelangat, Olemomoi and Chmiel are proven; Venters, Kemboi, Mazza-Downie, Larkin, Frentheway despite improvement and fast times, not as much.
On to the race. Like the 1500 and 5k we know these athletes by now. Kemboi, Venters, Chelangat and Olemomoi will form a lead group and try to run away at the front. Chmiel and Hays will organize a chase group with Mazza-Downie, Kostarellis, Vestri, Frentheway and Larkin. At 4.5 miles the carnage sets in up front with Chelangat and Venters falling off, while the chasers behind Chmiel make their surge.
In a surprising finish, swamp tested Olemomoi holds off Kemboi for the win. Charging Chmiel is third ahead of Chelangat in 4th. Mazza-Downie is 5th, followed by Venters, Larkin and Hays.
Definitely a possible scenario, though I’d put Chelangat in the Kemboi spot. Run this race five times and we’d likely see five different outcomes, one of which I’d hope would be a rested Chelangat--in her final collegiate race, in her best (and only) event of the meet, still feeling the sting of Tallahassee and the humbling of Stillwater--displaying her unyielding finest one last time.
Re the topic of this thread, here's a whimsical scenario with a possible grain of truth tucked inside.
Tuohy is ready to go--4:02/14:55 shape and a simple, three-point plan: 1) Secure the WC standard. For peace of mind rolling into USAs. Maybe hit 4:03.21 for flavour--and for Semi. 2) 2 mi float, 1.1 mi cut-down. Tuck in. Hug the rail. Nap. Wake up. Get moving. Squeeze ‘em out. Coast home with a 2 sec cush. 3) Bounce. Said goodbye to NCAA track at Millrose. Tonight makes it crystal. Bowerman = small potatoes.
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Definitely a possible scenario, though I’d put Chelangat in the Kemboi spot. Run this race five times and we’d likely see five different outcomes, one of which I’d hope would be a rested Chelangat--in her final collegiate race, in her best (and only) event of the meet, still feeling the sting of Tallahassee and the humbling of Stillwater--displaying her unyielding finest one last time.
Re the topic of this thread, here's a whimsical scenario with a possible grain of truth tucked inside.
Tuohy is ready to go--4:02/14:55 shape and a simple, three-point plan: 1) Secure the WC standard. For peace of mind rolling into USAs. Maybe hit 4:03.21 for flavour--and for Semi. 2) 2 mi float, 1.1 mi cut-down. Tuck in. Hug the rail. Nap. Wake up. Get moving. Squeeze ‘em out. Coast home with a 2 sec cush. 3) Bounce. Said goodbye to NCAA track at Millrose. Tonight makes it crystal. Bowerman = small potatoes.
I am hoping Chelangat has a good race also and better than her final XC race in Stillwater. She has run well this year (15:17 at BU, 10k PR) but not as well as I think she can. This is Venters last championship as well, and her best shot at title (I think she has a better chance in 10 than 5). I bet they both lay it all on the line. Last championship for Logue too.
10k is one of the more exciting events because the top group is so well matched.
re the Stride Report as I listen to it I'm not sure where they are coming from. In the 1500 they seem doubtful of Barnett being aggressive? No mention of O'Sullivan. Tuohy an almost sure winner in what they think will be >4:10 race?
Gault's write up on the homepage is pretty good too. He picks Tuohy ftw in 1500m/ Valby in 5k.
Slightly off topic, but he says that seeing all the women hitting 4:08 in the quarterfinal might be the supershoes. Is he wrong? Tuohy has them too, she runs in the Adizero I think, but they are Adidas. (O'Sullivan also runs in Adidas). Dragonfly's do seem to be the best. I wonder if runners at non-Nike schools feel like they have a disadvantage. Tuohy will probably sign with Adidas but I'd certainly be curious to know if she is faster in the Dragonflies.