Stop lying to yourselves about ATHING MU, she has WR potential

Armstronglive

Is entitled to his opinion,regardless of how unpopular or trollish it seems. There are clean WR in track and middle distance and you seem to pre convict Athing MU without any evidence despite her huge talent. I say pre convict because 1:54 is coming in 2021.

SO is Max, Cole, or the 3'34 high schooler on drugs Armstronglive?

VIPAM wrote:

Armstronglive

Is entitled to his opinion,regardless of how unpopular or trollish it seems. There are clean WR in track and middle distance and you seem to pre convict Athing MU without any evidence despite her huge talent. I say pre convict because 1:54 is coming in 2021.

SO is Max, Cole, or the 3'34 high schooler on drugs Armstronglive?

I dont believe there are clean world records in track. You think there are. Neither of us can prove we are right.

In terms of any other athletes you name, it is entirely possible that they are doping, as informed estimates from antidoping sources suggest that anything from 10% to more than 50% of top championship athletes are doping. Because of the advantages doping gives we would expect that a lot of medallists will be doped.

I agree that Mu is a great talent. But we still wouldn't know if she is clean - as much as you would wish to believe it. However if she beats a clearly doped world record I would have to conclude she has something more than talent.

Armstrong live

At some point God Almighty thru time and evolution produces small number of humans and athletes that are mire gifted every generation. Eventually all the records will be broken and I'm CERTAIN some of them are by clean athletes.

Like Almaz AYANA said, "God Almighty * was her drug. So too is Athing MU"s.

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

You're wrong. She followed the leaders - her "pacemakers" - through the first lap in a fast 57x, poured it on in the 3rd 200 and then gave it everything in the last 150m. Just under 59s for the second lap. A fantastic finish but she was holding nothing back. "Perfect conditions" don't exist unless the athlete is in perfect shape - which she is. The Olympic final may not be run as fast as 1.56. If Mu gets to 1.55 I will be impressed. I think it possible. But even taking fractions off now will be hard.

3rd race in 4 days, getting tripped in the first 100m and running on the outter side of the 1st track ENTIRE race, therefore at least 807m in total.

At least 1 second for running trajectory + 1 second for fresh legs. That's 1:54.0 ability in Monaco if all goes right.

I will give Mu .25 seconds for being tripped, and .5 seconds for running extra distance. She gets nothing for "fresh legs" because I don't think she was tired from her fairly easy semi 2 days before.

So I think that if Mu ran the entire time in lane 1 and the race was perfectly paced, she could run 1:55.25 this year.

VIPAM wrote:

Athing may not get the WR this year but if she stayed in the sport and healthy 48 25, 1:52.445 , and 3:52.00 are all possible for Athing MU.

Funniest post I've read today.

She can probably break 49, but she can't run 48.25.

She is never breaking the 800 WR, never mind running 1:52.

She doesn't have world class talent at 1500. Could she be top 10 in the US? Maybe. But not 3:52

Let's talk about a more realistic goal. Can she win the gold medal in both the 400 and 800 at the 2024 Olympics? That might actually be doable.

If anyone ever looked perfect for an 800 record

It’s her.

I’d give that in defense of beating fast dopers

While being clean herself :

She looks and runs like the greatest female 880 runner ever .

That’s funny that I typed 880

Just for you old guys !

800

highhoppingworm wrote:

Armstronglivs wrote:

There your ignorance of doping is made plain. You have no idea of what it does for athletes. Most sports fans are the same. You also are so naive as to not realise that amongst those who dope are the best trained and most talented.

So just to be clear... the mental construct you have created is that you believe Mu is clean and therefore cannot break the WR. But if/when she does break the WR you will then be immediately convinced she is dirty? Got it. It must really suck waking up as you every day.

Exactly this ^^

Here We Go Again wrote:

I will give Mu .25 seconds for being tripped, and .5 seconds for running extra distance. She gets nothing for "fresh legs" because I don't think she was tired from her fairly easy semi 2 days before.

So I think that if Mu ran the entire time in lane 1 and the race was perfectly paced, she could run 1:55.25 this year.

Good thing you measured it with your all seeing eyes and pulled arbitrary numbers out of your rear. How about some math, bro. 8m extra distance that she ran are worth ca. 1.16. alone. Also you are crazy if you think that 3 races in 4 days are not taxing to anybody. Tripping is also worth more than 0.25s.

dukyud wrote:

highhoppingworm wrote:

So just to be clear... the mental construct you have created is that you believe Mu is clean and therefore cannot break the WR. But if/when she does break the WR you will then be immediately convinced she is dirty? Got it. It must really suck waking up as you every day.

Exactly this ^^

I definitely think all MAJOR records are dirty, and on top of that, they were world class to begin with. I would find it very very hard to believe that a runner is clean if they break a record in an event that is contested at world championships or Olympics.

But to resolve this, we have to agree on something and go from there.

Do you think any "non elite talent" could dope and set a WR? I am of the mind, that no, drugs will not make you elite, much less a record holder.

Then continue...do you believe elite talented athletes have doped in competition? This of course is obvious, because people have indeed been busted, and some even admitted it.

Therefore, I think it is reasonable to conclude that elite talent + doping = WR. Anyone that tries to suggest that 3:26.00, 7:20, etc are "clean" are just straight out trying to troll people.

And if you believe even one or two records are doped, then you must finally realized all are probably doped.

This is the logic progression I go through. Holds in cycling too, although cycling isn't really about records, outside of number of races won. So I do think there is a small chance that clean riders have won monuments (single day races where big team could in theory help pull someone along with minimal effort), but I do not think a 3 week grand tour can be won clean.

Armstronglivs wrote:

profanosaurus wrote:

18 year old Max Burgin ran 1:44.14 a few weeks ago, he'd be 15+ metres ahead of 19 year old Kipeter, Coe, Cruz so this means he's doping then?

No. You're an idiot.

Since I haven't argued that it appears you are the idiot. But we knew that already.

Extraordinary stuff! Your argument is exactly this, except for different athletes being named. Are you saying that the athletes substituted in don't work for your theory because... I don't know, Athing Mu is so much more talented than Wilson Kipketer or Sebastian Coe?

Or are you going to admit that "I dont see that an 18 year old was nearly 2 seconds faster than a talent that Mu is at 19 without being doped. Can you visualize how much further she would have been in front of Mu with that time? At least 15metres. No way. If clean." is just an arbitrary and meaningless comparison and in no way any kind of evidence of doping?

Of course you won't reexamine your faulty model because you're a clown that loves to be the big macho anti-doping wrong guy on the internet.

Sopa de SabadelI wrote:

Here We Go Again wrote:

I will give Mu .25 seconds for being tripped, and .5 seconds for running extra distance. She gets nothing for "fresh legs" because I don't think she was tired from her fairly easy semi 2 days before.

So I think that if Mu ran the entire time in lane 1 and the race was perfectly paced, she could run 1:55.25 this year.

Good thing you measured it with your all seeing eyes and pulled arbitrary numbers out of your rear. How about some math, bro. 8m extra distance that she ran are worth ca. 1.16. alone. Also you are crazy if you think that 3 races in 4 days are not taxing to anybody. Tripping is also worth more than 0.25s.

Wrote this on another thread, but sub 1:55 is happening this year and sub 1:54 next. She's clean and she will ultimately erase the previous doper WR from our collective memories. Thank g-d for her talent, not drugs.

looksism wrote:

That’s funny that I typed 880

Just for you old guys !

800

It's good the internets works at the old folks home.

+1

She looks just like Rudisha. How many strides does it take her to cover 800 compared with Wilson? She's going to run 1:54xx in Tokyo and embarrass the rest of the field. She will definitely be the greatest female 800 runner of all time. That's not even a question worth debating. As for the 400 and 1500, well ok, a bit of a stretch, but she certainly will be a multi time 400 WC/Olympic champion if she enters these races. As for the 1500, we have no real data to suggest that she can't kick a-s in that event too. I would not put it past her if she trained for it. She can turn to the 1500 after 2024. She will be all of 23 and will already have two 800 Olympic golds and the WR in that event. Nothing else for her to do in the 800.

Wise Old Man wrote:

+1

She looks just like Rudisha. How many strides does it take her to cover 800 compared with Wilson? She's going to run 1:54xx in Tokyo and embarrass the rest of the field. She will definitely be the greatest female 800 runner of all time. That's not even a question worth debating. As for the 400 and 1500, well ok, a bit of a stretch, but she certainly will be a multi time 400 WC/Olympic champion if she enters these races. As for the 1500, we have no real data to suggest that she can't kick a-s in that event too. I would not put it past her if she trained for it. She can turn to the 1500 after 2024. She will be all of 23 and will already have two 800 Olympic golds and the WR in that event. Nothing else for her to do in the 800.

Roger Daltry will keep her world record...

Saw them for the first time March, 1976 at Madison Square Garden. What were you doing back then?

I was dreaming of Roger err Jarmila...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNAEgygNUCo

I was dreaming of Jarmila! wrote:

I was dreaming of Roger err Jarmila...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNAEgygNUCo

I’m not just a slow runner….I’m slow period🤦🏻‍♂️

If Jelimo was clean and running 1.54 at 18, while Mu at 19 hasn't broken 1.56 then maybe Mu isn't so talented after all. I don't think you will want to go with that argument. But constructing an argument of any kind isn't your strength.