kartelite wrote:
Most teams at NCAAs got there without winning a conference tournament, there's no reason the Ivy teams couldn't do that...oh wait.
Or there are too many at large teams. Tourney should start on Thursdsay.. 32 auto, 32 at large.
kartelite wrote:
Most teams at NCAAs got there without winning a conference tournament, there's no reason the Ivy teams couldn't do that...oh wait.
Or there are too many at large teams. Tourney should start on Thursdsay.. 32 auto, 32 at large.
Dur wrote:
[quote]HRE wrote:
They have one now and if you play for one of the 2 through 4 teams you've just had a chance at going to the NCAA Tournament taken away when it seems feasible to play the conference tournament in empty gyms.[/quote
That team should have won more games in the regular season.
Yes, but they didn't know that until it was too late to do anything about it.
Harvard was 11-4 and beat Yale who was 12-3 twice in two matchups. Yale got the qualifier after tourney cancellation. And yeah it is easy for someone who has never played sports to make the call to cancel it. Like you wonder who was responsible for this decision. For me personally, as long as the NCAA tourney is played out, I'll be okay. If the arenas are empty, that is okay by me. Just play the damn games. Like I said earlier, it's really unfortunate for the players, especially the seniors in the Ivy league.
It's a tough call.
On the one hand, you have the experts saying this thing has worse incubation period, worse transmissibility, much worse hospitalization outcomes, worse organ damage, and confusing age & comorbidity statistics.
On the other hand, you have Trump and his people saying it's just the flu, and fake news.
Hard to decide.
They have done that too...
rojo said:
If you are going to do that, you might as well just cancel all sporting events, call classes and tell the kids not to come out of the dorms.
I'm glad this is getting some national outrage. Check out this excerpt from USA Today/Asbury Park Press.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/03/10/ivy-league-tournament-coronavirus-hypocrisy/5011542002/jUSA Today wrote:
So let’s get this straight: It’s not safe enough to hold the four-team Ivy League tourneys, but it’s OK to send Yale’s men and Princeton’s women to the 68-team NCAA tournaments, which will draw much larger crowds?
Allow a translation: This isn’t really about health concerns. It’s about covering the league’s rear end. It’s not about the student-athletes. It’s about Harris and the league presidents being able to say, “Not our problem.”
rojo wrote:
I'm glad this is getting some national outrage. Check out this excerpt from USA Today/Asbury Park Press.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2020/03/10/ivy-league-tournament-coronavirus-hypocrisy/5011542002/jUSA Today wrote:
So let’s get this straight: It’s not safe enough to hold the four-team Ivy League tourneys, but it’s OK to send Yale’s men and Princeton’s women to the 68-team NCAA tournaments, which will draw much larger crowds?
Allow a translation: This isn’t really about health concerns. It’s about covering the league’s rear end. It’s not about the student-athletes. It’s about Harris and the league presidents being able to say, “Not our problem.”
Nice virtue signaling, dawg
They're gonna follow lock step in the overreaction to the virus du jour.
Going with the short-sighted response to media frenzy.
Like the Corona is the Black Plague rather than just another moderately dangerous disease among the many thatve been and always will permeate the atmosphere.
The price of over-broadcasting.
Jamesengle6 wrote:
They're gonna follow lock step in the overreaction to the virus du jour.
Going with the short-sighted response to media frenzy.
Like the Corona is the Black Plague rather than just another moderately dangerous disease among the many thatve been and always will permeate the atmosphere.
The price of over-broadcasting.
15% confirmed death rate for 80+. My grandparents are in the range. So STFU
not that odd wrote:
wejo wrote:
Does anyone else find it weird that the people cancelling everything first are the Ivy League and expensive private schools in the Northeast?
It's where helicopter parenting originated.
It is not really that odd given the how diverse the geographic background is for the student body is at those schools. They are about to go off on spring break and travel and then come back. Were the students mainly local it would lower the risk but picture a few students picking up the virus and then coming back to the dorms. How could a school handle a hotspot outbreak in dorms?
True. I am currently working in Asia at a university and my wife is a school administrator. No administrators are making quick, uninformed decisions. They are making urgent decisions based on the facts at hand at a given moment in a constantly changing environment. Schools are special places that have to think about student safety first but also think about parents, employees, the local community...
brianwc wrote:
not that odd wrote:
It is not really that odd given the how diverse the geographic background is for the student body is at those schools. They are about to go off on spring break and travel and then come back. Were the students mainly local it would lower the risk but picture a few students picking up the virus and then coming back to the dorms. How could a school handle a hotspot outbreak in dorms?
True. I am currently working in Asia at a university and my wife is a school administrator. No administrators are making quick, uninformed decisions. They are making urgent decisions based on the facts at hand at a given moment in a constantly changing environment. Schools are special places that have to think about student safety first but also think about parents, employees, the local community...
who cares about safety! basketball is so cool amirite!!!
covid-19! wrote:
wejo wrote:
As a Yale fan I think this is a joke.
Play without fans before you cancel
If it really is the point you have to cancel then that means the NCAA tourney should be cancelled.
Does anyone else find it weird that the people cancelling everything first are the Ivy League and expensive private schools in the Northeast?
It's where helicopter parenting originated.
I do not find it weird that a collection of some of the smartest people in our country are taking this seriously and looking at how things are playing out in other countries. They are trying to get ahead of things before it blows up in their face.
I agree they should play in empty arenas, as Ive been saying for nearly a month now would be likely to happen as the only alternative to full cancellations.
“Ball is life” means nothing to most administrators. “Safety first” is much more important.
They aren't "getting ahead" of anything. As has been previously noted, either cancel everything or don't cancel anything. It's completely irrational to cancel the Ivy League basketball tournament due to coronavirus concerns but then not to cancel any other games/tournaments and then allow the the basketball "winners" to go compete in larger arenas with many more fans next week. People would be a lot more understanding if the Ivies canceled everything than the faux sense of urgency we have now.
Mini Mike wrote:
covid-19! wrote:
I do not find it weird that a collection of some of the smartest people in our country are taking this seriously and looking at how things are playing out in other countries. They are trying to get ahead of things before it blows up in their face.
I agree they should play in empty arenas, as Ive been saying for nearly a month now would be likely to happen as the only alternative to full cancellations.
“Ball is life” means nothing to most administrators. “Safety first” is much more important.
They aren't "getting ahead" of anything. As has been previously noted, either cancel everything or don't cancel anything. It's completely irrational to cancel the Ivy League basketball tournament due to coronavirus concerns but then not to cancel any other games/tournaments and then allow the the basketball "winners" to go compete in larger arenas with many more fans next week. People would be a lot more understanding if the Ivies canceled everything than the faux sense of urgency we have now.
all or nothing thinking. bad faith argument. go home, you're drunk
low life for life heartless wrote:
Yale named the men's champ and rep to the NCAA tourney. Huge blow for the athletes on other teams.
But a boon for everyone else to be spared from more slow, unathletic basketball!
concerned american wrote:
Jamesengle6 wrote:
They're gonna follow lock step in the overreaction to the virus du jour.
Going with the short-sighted response to media frenzy.
Like the Corona is the Black Plague rather than just another moderately dangerous disease among the many thatve been and always will permeate the atmosphere.
The price of over-broadcasting.
15% confirmed death rate for 80+. My grandparents are in the range. So STFU
No disrespect for your grandparents but let's think about this in terms of things like school classes, big road races and conference basketball tournaments, etc. People in that age group die. They do it from all sorts of causes. Let's say that confirmed 15% fatality rate is even a little low. Let's make it 20%. That means that 80% of the people in that age group who get the disease will survive. A 20% death rate is bad but I say this as someone who must be a LOT closer to that age group than you are, it's not something I'd panic about .Remember too that that's a 20% death rate happening in an already small group of people, i.e, the decided minority of people who will get the disease.
Even more to the point, there aren't going to be any people in that age group playing in a college basketball conference's tournament. There are no coaches in that age group. There could well be some players whose grandparents are in that age group who were planning to go to the games and watch their grandkids play and maybe it would be wise for them not to come.
But closing the whole thing down seems a serious over reaction. Other conferences don't seem to think it's necessary. And if the Ivies really want to be more cautious than those conferences there was always the option of not allowing spectators at the games. These sorts of epidemics are likely to be more common in the near future because lots more people travel to lots of distant places. It's going to be very costly if we deal with every epidemic by disrupting normal life for each one.
That's ignorant Sally. Another liberal speaking point. "They" don't care about you. Get out of here with that frap.crap
The Ivy League's regular season is a round-robin tournament (every team plays each other, home and away). The Yale men (11-3) won, Harvard (10-4) and every other team lost. Harvard might have beat Yale twice, but it also lost to four inferior teams. Every game counts. The Bulldogs won the "endurance race."
Covid-19 aside, tacking on a single-elimination playoff, after playing a lengthy round-robin tournament, is idiotic. Conferences that engage in round-robin play (the larger conferences don't; too many teams for home-and-away play) need to get rid of conference tournaments. Of course they won't (I guess there's money involved, TV airtime to fill up ), and heaven forbid the players are denied a couple extra games.
HRE wrote:
concerned american wrote:
15% confirmed death rate for 80+. My grandparents are in the range. So STFU
No disrespect for your grandparents but let's think about this in terms of things like school classes, big road races and conference basketball tournaments, etc. People in that age group die. They do it from all sorts of causes. Let's say that confirmed 15% fatality rate is even a little low. Let's make it 20%. That means that 80% of the people in that age group who get the disease will survive. A 20% death rate is bad but I say this as someone who must be a LOT closer to that age group than you are, it's not something I'd panic about .Remember too that that's a 20% death rate happening in an already small group of people, i.e, the decided minority of people who will get the disease.
Even more to the point, there aren't going to be any people in that age group playing in a college basketball conference's tournament. There are no coaches in that age group. There could well be some players whose grandparents are in that age group who were planning to go to the games and watch their grandkids play and maybe it would be wise for them not to come.
But closing the whole thing down seems a serious over reaction. Other conferences don't seem to think it's necessary. And if the Ivies really want to be more cautious than those conferences there was always the option of not allowing spectators at the games. These sorts of epidemics are likely to be more common in the near future because lots more people travel to lots of distant places. It's going to be very costly if we deal with every epidemic by disrupting normal life for each one.
Ok, boomer
Then go out, get the virus, then come back and tell us how you feel
Until then: STFU
HRE wrote:
concerned american wrote:
15% confirmed death rate for 80+. My grandparents are in the range. So STFU
No disrespect for your grandparents but let's think about this in terms of things like school classes, big road races and conference basketball tournaments, etc. People in that age group die. They do it from all sorts of causes. Let's say that confirmed 15% fatality rate is even a little low. Let's make it 20%. That means that 80% of the people in that age group who get the disease will survive. A 20% death rate is bad but I say this as someone who must be a LOT closer to that age group than you are, it's not something I'd panic about .Remember too that that's a 20% death rate happening in an already small group of people, i.e, the decided minority of people who will get the disease.
Even more to the point, there aren't going to be any people in that age group playing in a college basketball conference's tournament. There are no coaches in that age group. There could well be some players whose grandparents are in that age group who were planning to go to the games and watch their grandkids play and maybe it would be wise for them not to come.
But closing the whole thing down seems a serious over reaction. Other conferences don't seem to think it's necessary. And if the Ivies really want to be more cautious than those conferences there was always the option of not allowing spectators at the games. These sorts of epidemics are likely to be more common in the near future because lots more people travel to lots of distant places. It's going to be very costly if we deal with every epidemic by disrupting normal life for each one.
If it was 20% of everyone (Spanish flu was 2%!) this would be cataclysmic, but just because it’s for older people it doesn’t matter? And it doesn’t matter just because you have some kind of death wish? Go see a therapist and gtfo of here with that crap.
Oh and: STFU
#oldlivesmatter
Actually, I WAS a therapist, am married to one, know loads of them, have no death wish, just don't understand why the Ivies feel the need to do something that no other conference is doing.