I went to school with so many CBA kids. 90 percent of them were hardcore bro’s none of them were athletic.
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NJ Fiasco wrote:
Yes according to the enrollment map they have the most ability to recruit from Atlantic City to Piscataway. Congrats to
CBA!!!!
Well in 2019, 5 of the guys that were in the NXR Championship Race / NXN squad weren’t in their top 7 the year before. One of the returners actually transferred out of CBA before the 2019 season.
Just goes to show how solid they are at reloading.
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Here’s an ethical quest for coaches elated to HS training. Let’s say you have a runner who maxed out can run 9:00 his senior year if he runs 75+ miles a week but won’t improve much more in college because of burnout, cumulative fatigue, and his body breaking down. Or he could run 60 miles a week and run 9:10ish and have potential and might run better in college.
Which route would you have the kid take 9:00 / 75+ miles or 9:10 / 60 miles? If you run more in hs he could get more money or acceptance in a better school that he might not be in otherwise. If he only runs 60 miles he could have a higher ceiling.
What’s your choice????
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world traveler wrote:
Here’s an ethical quest for coaches elated to HS training. Let’s say you have a runner who maxed out can run 9:00 his senior year if he runs 75+ miles a week but won’t improve much more in college because of burnout, cumulative fatigue, and his body breaking down. Or he could run 60 miles a week and run 9:10ish and have potential and might run better in college.
Which route would you have the kid take 9:00 / 75+ miles or 9:10 / 60 miles? If you run more in hs he could get more money or acceptance in a better school that he might not be in otherwise. If he only runs 60 miles he could have a higher ceiling.
What’s your choice????
exactly. unless someone has the potential to be the next justyn knight or noah lyles or whatever, i don't see the point in peaking in college.
if one doesn't have a foreseeable professional future, it only makes sense to make sure they get the best performances possible in high school so they can get the most scholarship money possible in college
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Sprinter2004 wrote:
world traveler wrote:
Here’s an ethical quest for coaches elated to HS training. Let’s say you have a runner who maxed out can run 9:00 his senior year if he runs 75+ miles a week but won’t improve much more in college because of burnout, cumulative fatigue, and his body breaking down. Or he could run 60 miles a week and run 9:10ish and have potential and might run better in college.
Which route would you have the kid take 9:00 / 75+ miles or 9:10 / 60 miles? If you run more in hs he could get more money or acceptance in a better school that he might not be in otherwise. If he only runs 60 miles he could have a higher ceiling.
What’s your choice????
exactly. unless someone has the potential to be the next justyn knight or noah lyles or whatever, i don't see the point in peaking in college.
if one doesn't have a foreseeable professional future, it only makes sense to make sure they get the best performances possible in high school so they can get the most scholarship money possible in college
So the kid might get a scholarship only to have it taken away when he inevitably gets slower? So he can get to a big time program only to never make the travel roster? Or for the kid to end up hating the sport because he's frustrated he hasn't run a PR since he was 17?
And you don't see the other side. For every one kid who can handle that volume and improve there are 10 others that get chewed up and spit out, perpetually injured, burned out and never coming close to reaching their potential.
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Define that term
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I just don’t get how you can say someone’s gonna reach their max at 18 on 75 miles a week
As you get to college and you just grow a bit more your training load increases to more mileage, you have more advanced training partners and people to race (there’s a reason why there’s more college frosh sub 4 than hs snr sub 4s, quality goes up) and unless you matured really early you should be getting better.
Plus if a kid really seems maxxed out at the mile or something, start moving him up to 5000 he’ll start to improve and learn it and won’t feel that level of burnout as he begins to PR and learn to face again
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CBA has their pick of the litter for catholic schools in northern NJ. There is definitely some self-selection though- a decent CYO runner in northern NJ with collegiate aspirations would definitely consider CBA.
I ran for a decent public school in south-east PA and they were always someone to look out for at the bigger invites. I remember when their B-squad won the state meet while their varsity guys were running regionals in NY. They had depth (this might be 2012/2013 timeframe?) and could develop guys. I heard their training plan was heavy in terms of mileage (like 70-80+ mid- xc season)
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Wonder if CBA will sign up for Terre Haute Nationals this year
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you must be joking wrote:
Blaise would be running much faster now if he wasn't so overtrained in high school. If you look at the high school PRs of the group you mentioned, they all should have been really good in college and only a couple were.
What place would he have gotten at NCAA 2020 nationals if he wasn’t so overtrained? He got 6th there.
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whatifs wrote:
you must be joking wrote:
Blaise would be running much faster now if he wasn't so overtrained in high school. If you look at the high school PRs of the group you mentioned, they all should have been really good in college and only a couple were.
What place would he have gotten at NCAA 2020 nationals if he wasn’t so overtrained? He got 6th there.
blaise, stop bumping years-old posts about CBA.
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Dwight Schrute wrote:
NJ Fiasco wrote:
Yes according to the enrollment map they have the most ability to recruit from Atlantic City to Piscataway. Congrats to
CBA!!!!
CBA doesn’t recruit. You have to take an entrance exam to get in. Most of their runners have never run before high school and are failed soccer players who would get cut from all the other sports.
Some of them compete before high school. Joe barrett and Alex mastroly did
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cba wrote:
just curiouser wrote:
Is CBA a school where everyone has to participate in a varsity/jvsport, or is it volunteer joining? Roughly how many kids are on the team?
I was teammates in college with a kid from CBA. When he was in HS the kids would all run some sort of distance race, I forgot if it was a mile, mile and a half or something like that. Everyone who finished under a certain time was brought into a gym and the coaching staff would pitch joining the team to them.
I'm not sure if they still do that but it's a great strategy for recruiting and having that type of legacy will bring kids out.
This is sounds like something that many more schools should do!
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CBA doesn't recruit but they do find themselves in a small state with a large running community. Within Monmouth County (a county with large amount of people who are able to afford sending their kids to catholic schools) alone, there are varying levels of middle schools with XC teams. Some train hard and some treat programs like daycares. NJ also has large number of kids who train with coaches and enter in open races as middle schoolers. CBA doesn't recruit but has the advantage of being able to take kids from all over central and south Jersey. If I was a middle schooler who was competing hard and had the option of going to CBA, then why not. There are kids who come into CBA that have run before, but notoriously most of their depth comes from their ability to pick up ex-soccer players who choose CBA for its soccer programs. Runners like Tim McInerny weren't coming to CBA to run but when you have a school with such a strong running culture, chances are every kid will run at some point in their freshman year whether its XC, indoor, or outdoor.
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Experienced NJ runner here, CBA doesn't recruit runners. CBA was lucky enough to be blessed by Joe Barrett's greatness without having to recruit him. In middle school, he was a huge runner and even competed in national races. He just happened to be moving towards CBA.
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hi
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njnative99 wrote:
Runners like Tim McInerny weren't coming to CBA to run but when you have a school with such a strong running culture, chances are every kid will run at some point in their freshman year whether its XC, indoor, or outdoor.
And if they find success, chances are their younger siblings will run too. They have a freshman Matt McInerney who is possibly his younger brother. He didn’t do Xc but ran a 4:51 in the mile. Tim started xc sophomore year, so there is a possibility that his brother will too
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Patrick Kilcooley didn’t run for CBA after sophomore year
But he did some running in college
https://www.tfrrs.org/athletes/7383583/Bucknell/Patrick_Kilcooley.html
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