HS track coach Vicki Huber (former Olympian) is latest to claim that allowing trans-women to compete as women ruins sports

Don't worry, she won't be the latest for long. The stakes are literally ramping up.

The main problem is that they called it the Women's Division, and so the gender theorists say Title IX applies.

If they just made it the XX-chromosome division, no one would care.

That all just falls to way too short of all the reasons and motivation to and actual ability to change/create/remove laws that could come into play on these issues.

I just found this rudimentary outline on a search engine.

You can certainly look at it and formulate many grounds that would probably work against transgender athletes competing through high school and college.

The necessary ingredients, a lot of outrage and political will is growing. Even the Democrats are realizing they gave too much power to the pet minority LBGTQ. It's only a matter of time before some prominent and appropriate liberal comes forward with more or less the same statement that VIcki Huber has made.

It's not a domestic issue; the NCAA transgender policies will be consistent with those of the USATF which will be consistent with the IAAF. It would require a monumental international effort and since there are currently no professional transgender T&F athletes it would be to ban people that don't yet exist.

Again, such a change in the rules is going to require evidence that the rules are unfair and it has to happen at an international level. It's further complicated by the legal definition of human rights and that has nothing to with the opinions of some PC liberals.

I'm also a proponent of transgender females being allowed to compete, but you guys who think it's currently possible to change the rukes are not being realistic.

"Opponent". I've been in other forums where posts can be edited.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

I'm also a proponent of transgender females being allowed to compete, but you guys who think it's currently possible to change the rules are not being realistic.

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Well O.K. Then, we guys agree to disagree.

Beaten by a woman! wrote:

Meet the fastest high school boys mile runners in Pennsylvania

Evan Addison, La Salle College HS – senior – 4:16.62

Tristan Forsythe, Winchester Thurston – senior – 4:16.24

Liam Conway, Owen J. Roberts – senior – 4:16.10

https://tinyurl.com/y3vmecnc

Since Evan Addison is only third with a 4:26.62, expect to see him return next year as her - Eve Addison.

I bet "she" kicks ass.

IDOn'tGetIT wrote:

I'm also a proponent of transgender females being allowed to compete, but you guys who think it's currently possible to change the rules are not being realistic.

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SDSU AZtec,

Why do you keep acting like laws are immutable and then saying state and Federal Governments can't do anything about these things?

On Wednesday, the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights opened an investigation into the claims of three female athletes who maintain that the state of Connecticut’s transgender policy — allowing male athletes to compete with girls if they declare a female gender identity — violates Title IX and constitutes illegal discrimination on the basis of sex.

Office for Civil Rights | U.S. Department of Education

Title IX is a comprehensive federal law that prohibits discrimination on the basis of sex in any federally funded education program or activity.

Though there is no set timeline for the Department of Education’s investigation, which could take from several months to several years, The Washington Blade documents leaked emails which indicate that the Department may be expediting the case.

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I am not claiming near future reversals , though as some posters have indicated, it seems imminent.

Vicki has to be pretty comfortable with her take of the writing on the wall to come out with this opinion piece.

This article should have been linked in the top of my last post.

For reference:

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/education-department-investigates-transgender-sports-policies/

Emotionalistic thoughts wrote:

‘I will never support a scenario where a female has to step to the starting line to race against a male, even if that male identifies as a female. One of the best parts of competing is knowing that, on any given day, you have a chance at winning. By allowing biological males to compete against females, we strip that chance away from our girls.’

So that's it? "Chance of winning" is the argument? How many ppl have a real chance of winning any given event (say a marathon)?

Don’t know the answer to that question, but I know that if a male lines up in a race for females his chance of winning is a whole lot higher than all his competitors. Do not allow 21st century “thought” to get in your way, that is just common sense.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The accurate answer is usually 2-3. Anyway, my point is that the article brings no insight to the issue. She doesn't opine on the affect of hormone treatments on performance and her "What if Bruce Jenner had competed in the heptathlophon?" is non-sensical since he transgendered 40 years later.

It was definitely a poorly state comment. Something like there are like 25 (didn't actually look up the number) High school boys who run faster than the womans world record every year and that on average men are more like 8% faster over all distances would have expressed the same idea but been more accurate. The follow up questions is what are the performance effects of transistioning. My understanding is that the CT kids running are basically doing nothing. You would expect them to destroy the females. For the people in college, it isn't remotely clear what exactly they are doing. Someone taking test blockers and estrogen for 12-24 months might actually compete at about the same level as if they were born that way.

That's right. Great to speak out the truth Vicki H, one of my favorites.

alanson wrote:

https://www.montanasports.com/sports/big-sky-conference/montana-grizzlies/montana-grizzlies-june-eastwood-named-big-sky-athlete-of-the-week

Interesting that Montana only has 5 runners. Is that due to injury or protests? Can't imagine that a collegiate team would limit the number of female participants in a sport.

"Montana finished seventh out of 26 teams, but only traveling with five athletes meant the margin for error was small, that all five runners needed to have a solid race for the Grizzlies to score to their potential.

One had an off day, and that probably cost Montana a runner-up finish to Utah Valley and a victory over Wyoming.

Montana is No. 14 in this week’s USTFCCCA Mountain Region poll, behind No. 12 Utah Valley and No. 13 Wyoming.

“We went in thinking about some of the other teams that are in our region and trying to compete against them,” Eastwood said.

“It’s hard when you only have five people, for everybody to go in there and have a good race.”"

the truth is, the we don't have the statistics to back up whether or not properly trans persons are at advantage or not. the best way to test this is we take the fastest male runners in the world (kipchoge, bekele, bolt, rudisha, etc) and then force them to be trans-women and see if their times are as fast as the fastest biological women. i'm down for forcing these elite athletes to go trans. it'd be freaking hilarious

Petri disher wrote:

The main problem is that they called it the Women's Division, and so the gender theorists say Title IX applies.

If they just made it the XX-chromosome division, no one would care.

Hopfully, it's still not too late to go that way.

T'eV wrote:

That's right. Great to speak out the truth Vicki H, one of my favorites.

What truth? For the most part, it can be summarized with one sentance: "Guys are better runners"

It's actually quite awful. She use the term "male that identifies as a woman" a couple of times. Does she mean someone in compliance or is she talking about a guy with a wig? She mentions having to take a gender verification test which turned out to be noninvasive and women injecting themselves with testosterone, neither of which have anything to with transgender athletes. She finishes with this: "I completely support a scenario where males and females train together..." Someone needs to call Tuohy and tell her it's OK.

I remember her fondly wrote:

I remember her and Suzy Favor on the cover of Track and Field news. I think that issue kick-started puberty for me.

Only pertinent post on this tread .

Winner of thread!!!!!

Why would you call Vicky a hater, she said nothing against men who claim to be women, she simply expressed her opinion that (and these are my words summing up her point) xy chromosome people should compete against xy people and xx people should not have to compete against xy people. Using this phraseology we need not stumble over the words male, female, transgender or made up nomenclature such as gender fluid.

Stephen S wrote:

Why would you call Vicky a hater, she said nothing against men who claim to be women, she simply expressed her opinion that (and these are my words summing up her point) xy chromosome people should compete against xy people and xx people should not have to compete against xy people. Using this phraseology we need not stumble over the words male, female, transgender or made up nomenclature such as gender fluid.

She has never coached or ran against a transgender, so even though she was a world class runner she has no unique perspective. It appears she made no effort to learn the proper teminology, focused on the idea that men are better runners and included some unrelated thoughts.

There was nothing mean-spirited about what she wrote, but it was kind of pointless.