HS track coach Vicki Huber (former Olympian) is latest to claim that allowing trans-women to compete as women ruins sports

‘I will never support a scenario where a female has to step to the starting line to race against a male, even if that male identifies as a female. One of the best parts of competing is knowing that, on any given day, you have a chance at winning. By allowing biological males to compete against females, we strip that chance away from our girls.’

So that's it? "Chance of winning" is the argument? How many ppl have a real chance of winning any given event (say a marathon)?

Good for Vicki

Emotionalistic thoughts wrote:

So that's it? "Chance of winning" is the argument? How many ppl have a real chance of winning any given event (say a marathon)?

Not sure where you are going with this. Track races are 8-30 people, and It doesn’t matter the number of people in the race.

She is not a former Olympian. She is an Olympian!

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

Maybe because it's a "fact" rather than the truth.

Ohio is closer to 4:10. For instance

1600 Meters

1. 12 Riley Bucholz 4:13.47PR Unattached Jun 08 Midwest Meet Of Champions

2. 12 Andrew Schroff 4:15.71PR OH Olentangy Orange Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

3. 10 Nathan Moore 4:15.98PR OH Lake (Uniontown) Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

4. 10 Garner Wallace 4:16.01PR OH Pickerington Central Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

5. 11 Caleb Brown 4:16.56PR OH Shelby Senior Jun 01 OHSAA D2 State Track & Field Championships

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

She says "many", not "most"

An example of this is the world record in the women’s mile. The record was just broken this summer with a time of 4:12.33; the previous record was set in 1996. In comparison, a 4:12 mile for a high school boy is commendable, but many of the state champions would be closer to the 4:00 mark. So, quite a number of high school boys have run faster than the world record for the women’s mile.

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

You don't try to understand the the difference between many and most?

"but many of the state champions would be closer to the 4:00 mark."

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SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

Maybe because it's a "fact" rather than the truth.

Ohio is closer to 4:10. For instance

1600 Meters

1. 12 Riley Bucholz 4:13.47PR Unattached Jun 08 Midwest Meet Of Champions

2. 12 Andrew Schroff 4:15.71PR OH Olentangy Orange Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

3. 10 Nathan Moore 4:15.98PR OH Lake (Uniontown) Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

4. 10 Garner Wallace 4:16.01PR OH Pickerington Central Jun 01 OHSAA D1 State Track & Field Championships

5. 11 Caleb Brown 4:16.56PR OH Shelby Senior Jun 01 OHSAA D2 State Track & Field Championships

https://www.amazon.com/Ohio-High-School-State-Champions/dp/1461068126

I guess you're saying that men are better athletes is a fact. Duh. That's why her article isn't thought provoking.

Learn to quote correctly, already wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

She says "many", not "most"

An example of this is the world record in the women’s mile. The record was just broken this summer with a time of 4:12.33; the previous record was set in 1996. In comparison, a 4:12 mile for a high school boy is commendable, but many of the state champions would be closer to the 4:00 mark. So, quite a number of high school boys have run faster than the world record for the women’s mile.

OK, let's break this down. "Close to 4:00 mark" than 4:12:33 means 4:06.16 or better.

Here's the HS data from 2014, for 1600m, which is 7m short of a mile. Garrett Corcoran 4:06:00, Sushi Koshla 4:06.45, etc.

So exactly ONE of them is "closer", and only then if you pretend 1600m is a mile...

Bad maths from the anti-trans hater IMO.

(OK, Corcoran did have a PR mile of 4:05.19 (not in the 1600m rankings))

Meet the fastest high school boys mile runners in Pennsylvania

Evan Addison, La Salle College HS – senior – 4:16.62

Tristan Forsythe, Winchester Thurston – senior – 4:16.24

Liam Conway, Owen J. Roberts – senior – 4:16.10

https://tinyurl.com/y3vmecnc

IDOn'tGetIT wrote:

SDSU Aztec wrote:

The article does really contain much other than her opinion that men are better athletes. I didn't know that most state meet champions run near 4:00.

You don't try to understand the the difference between many and most?

"but many of the state champions would be closer to the 4:00 mark."

The accurate answer is usually 2-3. Anyway, my point is that the article brings no insight to the issue. She doesn't opine on the affect of hormone treatments on performance and her "What if Bruce Jenner had competed in the heptathlophon?" is non-sensical since he transgendered 40 years later.

I remember her and Suzy Favor on the cover of Track and Field news. I think that issue kick-started puberty for me.

Texas 1600m all-time top #10

1600 meters

4:01.02y Steve Magness Klein Oak 2003

4:03.77 Erik Stanley Klein 2003

4:03.8 John Robinson Pasadena Dobie 1980

4:05.7y Reed Fischer Highland Park 1972

4:06.0y Robert Gonzales Falfurrias 1967

4:07.25y Gawain Guy Pasadena Dobie 1981

4:06.25 Michael Byrd Longview 1983

4:07.69iy Ruben Reina San Antonio Jay 1986

4:06.29 Leonel Manzano Marble Falls 2003

4:06.3 John Holmes South Houston 1986

"but many of the state champions would be closer to the 4:00 mark."

The accurate answer is usually 2-3

Sheesh, there's been FIVE HS boys break 4:00 itself in the mile in the last 5 years!!

So of course there's many more who are closer to 4:00 than the women's 4:12 mark.

4:12 is probably not even in the top 10,000 men's times.

The article is important because Huber is showing that some people in the sport at the youth level will go on the record challenging biological males in sport. That she is an olympian , all the better in my opinion. Sure, she is going to be criticized for conservative ties and private school etc. That's predictable. Many people with those opinions at public schools are afraid to talk for the time being. Once this thing gets momentum and people are not afraid of getting fired improvements will be made.

There are many more independents and liberals on the side she is taking then there are conservatives and independents on the opposite side. Just take a little while for critical mass to shift entrenched political terrorism.

How many HS transwomen have run 4:12 mile and beat one of Coach Vicki's cis-female runners?

Pudding Proof wrote:

How many HS transwomen have run 4:12 mile and beat one of Coach Vicki's cis-female runners?

RE: HS track coach Vicki Huber (former Olympian) is latest to claim that allowing trans-women to compete as women ruins sports

Maybe it "ruins sports" FOR HER (Vicki), but what a'bout for all the OTHERS???

Only when ALL can compete, is it FAIR!!!!!