event's date is marked as October 12-20.
will they decide the actual day with weeks in advance, or will it be basically an on the spot decision based on the weather conditions?
event's date is marked as October 12-20.
will they decide the actual day with weeks in advance, or will it be basically an on the spot decision based on the weather conditions?
confused..... wrote:
Read my previous sentence. Make it one dead straight line course so no running in the other direction. With rotating pacers the record won't be eligible anyway so it doesn't matter if it's point to point.
With that logic, why not pick a large (but not crazy on the legs) net downhill course ? I thought there would be no rotating pacers this time.
Subway Surfers wrote:
I thought it was going to be in London? Better blood storage facilities in Vienna perhaps?
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stupid post from stupid poster wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
I thought it was going to be in London? Better blood storage facilities in Vienna perhaps?
-3:11:45/10
It seemed like the rich dude backing this really wanted it in London and gave them an ultimatum. What did happen? Why didn’t London want it?
stupid post from stupid poster wrote:
Subway Surfers wrote:
I thought it was going to be in London? Better blood storage facilities in Vienna perhaps?
-3:11:45/10
Police has an od casr at hand so, not that stupide....
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-europe-47415803Does anyone else see these breaking 2 attempts as a complete waste? Would rather watch him win New York or Chicago..
Curious Runner wrote:
stupid post from stupid poster wrote:
-3:11:45/10
It seemed like the rich dude backing this really wanted it in London and gave them an ultimatum. What did happen? Why didn’t London want it?
Maybe there were drugs involved and Coe decided instead of punishing with a ban, he had to keep out of the UK in London
IAAF rules prohibit a person being paced by a person that is or will be lapped.
D.Katz wrote:
IAAF rules prohibit a person being paced by a person that is or will be lapped.
Exactly. This was tried in one of the Bannister paced attempts.
Subway Surfers wrote:
I thought it was going to be in London? Better blood storage facilities in Vienna perhaps?
Lol, I mean, I doubt Ineos will be testing him...
D.Katz wrote:
IAAF rules prohibit a person being paced by a person that is or will be lapped.
Can you point us to any reference for this?
Please see 144.3 (a)
IAAF RULE 144
Assistance to Athletes
Medical Examination and Assistance
1. Medical examination / treatment and/or physiotherapy may be
provided either on the competition area itself by the official medical
staff appointed by the Organisers and identified by armbands, vests
or similar distinctive apparel or in designated medical treatment
areas outside the competition area by accredited team medical
personnel specifically approved by the Medical or Technical
Delegate(s) for the purpose. In neither case shall the intervention
delay the conduct of the competition or an athlete’s trial in the
designated order. Such attendance or assistance by any other person,
whether immediately before competition, once athletes have left the
Call Room or during competition, is assistance.
Note: The competition area, which normally also has a physical
barrier, is defined for this purpose as the area where the competition
is being staged and which has an access restricted to the competing
athletes and personnel authorised in accordance with the relevant
Rules and Regulations.
2. Any athlete giving or receiving assistance from within the
competition area during an event (including under Rule 163.14,
163.15, 230.10 and 240.8) shall be warned by the Referee and
advised that, if there is any repetition, he will be disqualified from
that event.
Note: In cases under Rule 144.3(a), disqualification may be made
without warning.
Assistance not Allowed
3. For the purpose of this Rule, the following examples shall be
considered assistance, and are therefore not allowed:
(a) Pacing in races by persons not participating in the same race, by
athletes lapped or about to be lapped or by any kind of technical
device (other than those permitted under Rule 144.4(d)).
(b) Possession or use of video recorders, radios, CD, radio
transmitters, mobile phone or similar devices in the competition
area.
(c) Except for shoes complying with Rule 143, the use of any
technology or appliance that provides the user with an
advantage which he would not have obtained using the
equipment specified in, or permitted by, the Rules.
(d) The use of any mechanical aid, unless the athlete can establish
on the balance of probabilities that the use of an aid would not
provide him with an overall competitive advantage over an
athlete not using such aid.
(e) Provision of advice or other support by any official of the
competition not related to or required by his specific role in the
competition at the time (e.g., coaching advice, indication of the
take-off point in a jumping event except to indicate a failure in
Horizontal Jumps, time or distance gaps in a race etc.).
(f) Receiving physical support from another athlete (other than
helping to recover to a standing position) that assists in making
forward progression in a race.
D.Katz wrote:
Please see 144.3 (a)
IAAF RULE 144
Assistance to Athletes
Medical Examination and Assistance
1. Medical examination / treatment and/or physiotherapy may be
provided either on the competition area itself by the official medical
staff appointed by the Organisers and identified by armbands, vests
or similar distinctive apparel or in designated medical treatment
areas outside the competition area by accredited team medical
personnel specifically approved by the Medical or Technical
Delegate(s) for the purpose. In neither case shall the intervention
delay the conduct of the competition or an athlete’s trial in the
designated order. Such attendance or assistance by any other person,
whether immediately before competition, once athletes have left the
Call Room or during competition, is assistance.
Note: The competition area, which normally also has a physical
barrier, is defined for this purpose as the area where the competition
is being staged and which has an access restricted to the competing
athletes and personnel authorised in accordance with the relevant
Rules and Regulations.
2. Any athlete giving or receiving assistance from within the
competition area during an event (including under Rule 163.14,
163.15, 230.10 and 240.8) shall be warned by the Referee and
advised that, if there is any repetition, he will be disqualified from
that event.
Note: In cases under Rule 144.3(a), disqualification may be made
without warning.
Assistance not Allowed
3. For the purpose of this Rule, the following examples shall be
considered assistance, and are therefore not allowed:
(a) Pacing in races by persons not participating in the same race, by
athletes lapped or about to be lapped or by any kind of technical
device (other than those permitted under Rule 144.4(d)).
(b) Possession or use of video recorders, radios, CD, radio
transmitters, mobile phone or similar devices in the competition
area.
(c) Except for shoes complying with Rule 143, the use of any
technology or appliance that provides the user with an
advantage which he would not have obtained using the
equipment specified in, or permitted by, the Rules.
(d) The use of any mechanical aid, unless the athlete can establish
on the balance of probabilities that the use of an aid would not
provide him with an overall competitive advantage over an
athlete not using such aid.
(e) Provision of advice or other support by any official of the
competition not related to or required by his specific role in the
competition at the time (e.g., coaching advice, indication of the
take-off point in a jumping event except to indicate a failure in
Horizontal Jumps, time or distance gaps in a race etc.).
(f) Receiving physical support from another athlete (other than
helping to recover to a standing position) that assists in making
forward progression in a race.
What difference does the IAAF rule make? The Nike breaking 2 attempt was not record eligible and neither will this one be? So who cares how he is paced of if he is juiced to the gills. This is a science project and that is it. Which is exactly why I could give a sh!t less if he runs 1:59 on a rupp/kipchoge certified course. I DO NOT CARE FOR THE SAKE OF THE SPORT. Kipchoge needs to do what he does best; dominate world major marathons and ride off into the sunset as the greatest to ever do it. A sub 2 hour marathon means absolutely nothing to me but apparently it does to the masses. I see this as a marketing campaign and that is it.
Someone asked a question and I provided a link to the answer.
What happened to the sub-2 plan for some park in London? Wasn't that planned for later this year, involving Kipchoge?
HOOWIE wrote:
D.Katz wrote:
Please see 144.3 (a)
IAAF RULE 144
Assistance to Athletes
Medical Examination and Assistance
1. Medical examination / treatment and/or physiotherapy may be
provided either on the competition area itself by the official medical
staff appointed by the Organisers and identified by armbands, vests
or similar distinctive apparel or in designated medical treatment
areas outside the competition area by accredited team medical
personnel specifically approved by the Medical or Technical
Delegate(s) for the purpose. In neither case shall the intervention
delay the conduct of the competition or an athlete’s trial in the
designated order. Such attendance or assistance by any other person,
whether immediately before competition, once athletes have left the
Call Room or during competition, is assistance.
Note: The competition area, which normally also has a physical
barrier, is defined for this purpose as the area where the competition
is being staged and which has an access restricted to the competing
athletes and personnel authorised in accordance with the relevant
Rules and Regulations.
2. Any athlete giving or receiving assistance from within the
competition area during an event (including under Rule 163.14,
163.15, 230.10 and 240.8) shall be warned by the Referee and
advised that, if there is any repetition, he will be disqualified from
that event.
Note: In cases under Rule 144.3(a), disqualification may be made
without warning.
Assistance not Allowed
3. For the purpose of this Rule, the following examples shall be
considered assistance, and are therefore not allowed:
(a) Pacing in races by persons not participating in the same race, by
athletes lapped or about to be lapped or by any kind of technical
device (other than those permitted under Rule 144.4(d)).
(b) Possession or use of video recorders, radios, CD, radio
transmitters, mobile phone or similar devices in the competition
area.
(c) Except for shoes complying with Rule 143, the use of any
technology or appliance that provides the user with an
advantage which he would not have obtained using the
equipment specified in, or permitted by, the Rules.
(d) The use of any mechanical aid, unless the athlete can establish
on the balance of probabilities that the use of an aid would not
provide him with an overall competitive advantage over an
athlete not using such aid.
(e) Provision of advice or other support by any official of the
competition not related to or required by his specific role in the
competition at the time (e.g., coaching advice, indication of the
take-off point in a jumping event except to indicate a failure in
Horizontal Jumps, time or distance gaps in a race etc.).
(f) Receiving physical support from another athlete (other than
helping to recover to a standing position) that assists in making
forward progression in a race.
What difference does the IAAF rule make? The Nike breaking 2 attempt was not record eligible and neither will this one be? So who cares how he is paced of if he is juiced to the gills. This is a science project and that is it. Which is exactly why I could give a sh!t less if he runs 1:59 on a rupp/kipchoge certified course. I DO NOT CARE FOR THE SAKE OF THE SPORT. Kipchoge needs to do what he does best; dominate world major marathons and ride off into the sunset as the greatest to ever do it. A sub 2 hour marathon means absolutely nothing to me but apparently it does to the masses. I see this as a marketing campaign and that is it.
So only the IAAF determines the conditions of a marathon? Sounds like a monopoly to me.
Whether or not someone finds it valid or not based on IAAF guidelines is obsolete.
It may be partly for show but all sports is entertainment anyway.
There will always be naysayers so so good for Kipchoge to do whatever he wants.
Free_the_thigh wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:
Because it's a headwind when you run the other direction.
A legal workaround would be to set up a simple out-and-back taking advantage of prevailing weather patterns to get a tailwind both ways. For example the downhill winds off of mountains regularly reverse wind direction starting in evening in many places. Just pick a cool enough weather location.
I suspect the Monaco stadium is designed to trap wind into a vortex that creates a tailwind on most of the track.
Then make it point to point.
Is there not a 26 mile stretch of flat road somewhere in the middle of Canada?
There are no roads in the middle of Canada. It's all Muskeg.
Capitalism not Communism wrote:
So only the IAAF determines the conditions of a marathon? Sounds like a monopoly to me.
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No, anyone can determine the conditions of a marathon. If you want to declare this a CnC legitimate marathon record then go right ahead. You'll find that no-one cares, but that's what happens in the marketplace of ideas.
3283823 wrote:
not my real name wrote:
serious question for those in the know on IAAF rules:
considering it's loops, why can't a couple of the pacers go one lap, start slowing down (way down), let other pacers do the next two laps, and then pick up the pace again when EK catches (laps) them on Lap 4? They could have 12 pacers doing this in sets of three guys, and as long as all of them finished the race, would it still be disallowable? As long as they finish, I don't see how they could apply an "honest effort" rule against the pacers...
This seems pretty brilliant
It's not brilliant - it's illegal for record purposes.
It seems unheard of that a human could run 26.2 consecutive miles at 4:34 per mile. A 45:40 is a world class 10 mile road time with 16.2 miles more at the end. What could he do if it was a paced 10 mile? Sub 44?