Even if it’s technically weaker, I think the 2-mile record just seems more otherworldly. Back to back sub 4s is so easy to understand, yet also so ludicrous.
Add in the fact that Komen did it twice, and no one else came close, and I think it’s the most intimidating record, even if it isn’t the strongest physiologically.
Even if it’s technically weaker, I think the 2-mile record just seems more otherworldly. Back to back sub 4s is so easy to understand, yet also so ludicrous.
Add in the fact that Komen did it twice, and no one else came close, and I think it’s the most intimidating record, even if it isn’t the strongest physiologically.
The first EPO test in 2000 was not deemed very effective. IIRC, a new, more reliable test came out in 2005, the year after ELG retired. I can’t recall when the ABP was introduced, but it was after 2004.
It was deemed effective enough to catch several guys at Sydney but the IAAF wouldn't sanction the "off-model" procedure that was used preferring only the "on-model" assay for disciplinary action (it might have been when they saw the names that tested positive it would have been another Olympic doping nightmare. ?).
Roberto Barbi is the first male athlete actually banned for an EPO positive when he was tested the day he'd arrived in Edmonton for the 2001 WC.
The ABP was introduced and implemented in 2009 which has toned down industrial-strength EPO use & blood doping but still allows generous thresholds for blood manipulation on the individual parameters of the ABP.
You are mixing up the IAAF with the IOC. In the Olympics, the IOC is responsible for anti-doping.
High-Octane Doping wrote:
It was deemed effective enough to catch several guys at Sydney but the IAAF wouldn't sanction the "off-model" procedure that was used preferring only the "on-model" assay for disciplinary action (it might have been when they saw the names that tested positive it would have been another Olympic doping nightmare. ?).
Roberto Barbi is the first male athlete actually banned for an EPO positive when he was tested the day he'd arrived in Edmonton for the 2001 WC.
The ABP was introduced and implemented in 2009 which has toned down industrial-strength EPO use & blood doping but still allows generous thresholds for blood manipulation on the individual parameters of the ABP.
According to alltime-athletics, here are the best Russian, Kenyan, and Ethiopian performances:
RUS: 4:57.18
KEN: 4:48.74
ETH: 4:56.1
Seems like any talk about doping, and lack of OOC tests is missing the mark.
Huh? Kenya has 3 guys in the top 10 (John Kibowen/4:48.74, Noah Ngeny/4:50.08, Daniel Komen/4:51.30). Also take notice how most of the top 30 or so times were set in the 90s & early 00s. There's even a confirmed doper holding the #2 spot. ?
You've gotten a little rusty rekrunner - connect the dots next time.
Seems like too many dots are missing. #7 Craig Mottram ran 4:50.76, faster than Daniel Komen. The #2 spot in 2000m is #22 in the 1500m.
Lets Tell It Like It Is wrote:
rekrunner wrote:
According to alltime-athletics, here are the best Russian, Kenyan, and Ethiopian performances:
RUS: 4:57.18
KEN: 4:48.74
ETH: 4:56.1
Seems like any talk about doping, and lack of OOC tests is missing the mark.
Huh? Kenya has 3 guys in the top 10 (John Kibowen/4:48.74, Noah Ngeny/4:50.08, Daniel Komen/4:51.30). Also take notice how most of the top 30 or so times were set in the 90s & early 00s. There's even a confirmed doper holding the #2 spot. ?
You've gotten a little rusty rekrunner - connect the dots next time.
jacob has the weak sauce vs el G and morcelli on the super sauce, and aouita on the medium sauce.
that Mo Farah, super sauce in an era when the african talent went to the marathon and roads. this guy was 340 to 338 in his prime years, and went beserk in his late 20's.
aden an salazar. and blatant] profile,
bolt too, came out of "nowhere" never running the 100 in his early prime years and mediocre 200m, becoming far and away the best 100m runner in history. thanks to testosterone and epo, which were not tested for in jamaica, and epo that is done in the off season.
charlie fransis taught everybody, like flo jo, jamaica that you come off steroids 4-6 weeks before the champs, and that after you come off for 4 weeks, you get much faster and lose your gains maybe 10 weeks down the line.
and you don't test positive.
and if you train in an area out of the way, you won't likely get tested too often, and if you do, you can miss two tests. and if you do your cycling right, you can allow testing 50% if the time or better.
jacob and bolt are legit probable straight up world record holders based on talent.
All of EL G’s records are the result of a sophisticated and long term drug regime, and as such have been untouchable since the ABP was introduced. The only athlete that has come close is Kiprop in the 1500, and we all know how that came about!
His 2000m WR is the strongest imo. It is basically running a mile in 3:49.2 (which in itself would have been a WR just 18 years earlier!! ) and then running another entire lap at the same pace! How anyone can think that is legitimate is beyond me.
It's easy to not really understand the 2000m or how hard it is because it is rarely run and it's weirdly positioned between a mile and 3000m. He ran through 1600m in 3.49.60 that day (so he was probably at 1 mile in 3min50.7) and rips off 55.19 for the final lap which is actually way above his average pace for the previous 1600m. Its not inconceivable that he may have been able to run
flat with more even pace running and then I think you would correct in saying it's his best. The only argument against that could be that he may have had an extra second in him vs being close to max with 3.26 and 3.43. Either way I agree with you 100% on legitimacy - it's all folklore now but no chance at all this guy or his contemporaries were legitimate.
Overall though Komens record is still the most insane. 4.53.18 at 2000m followed up with a 2.27.49 final km is beyond belief. Fun days back in the mid 90's to early 2000's
Ha! Classic thread bump.
4.43 flat with even paced running - who would have thought! It was a great record but there was some room to improve it - Jakob figured out the "room".
It's funny now to think of the 3000m record because that just seemed totally impossible. As of today it appears far more likely to get broken than the 1500m and the mile (in that order of difficulty).
The understanding of human physiology, how to leverage it best in terms of peak performance and the support from the sport to action it in competition have really shifted the paradigm of what we thought was possible.
People have a hard time what kind of feat Jakob just did.
HISTORICAL
The OP was right. Nobody could break the record with regular shoes. It took a huge shoe advantage for someone to run faster. Weak sauce.
You really think if Jakob today wore a pair of Zoom Vics from 2015, a pair of Eldorets from '99 or a pair of Jasaris from 1996 that he doesn't still smash that record? Sometimes the lack of understanding on many aspects of this sport are truly depressing.