USA Powerlifting stops male from competing as transgender female in Minnesota

LRC bothead wrote:

USA Powerlifting has crafted a thoughtful policy. There is no perfect answer, but this policy could serve as a model for many others.

Wow, common sense. Where are the torch carrying liberals decrying these bigots?

In all seriousness, their policy sounds very reasonable, and fair. I don't see how a sane person, who understands basic principles of biology and human physiology could find an issue with it.

The problem is a four letter word in your last sentence. And it's not find or with.

(Published in Sports Science News, 1997) It's well known that top female runners have been catching up on their male counterparts. Some authors have even suggested that women might one day run as fast as men. For example, Ward and Whipp (1992) predicted that the men's and women's marathon world records would be equal by 1998 and that women record holders would catch up with men in shorter distances early in the 21st century. The American public agrees: a pre-Olympic poll of 1,000 adults last May found that 66 percent of Americans believe "the day is coming when top female athletes will beat top males at the highest competitive levels" (Tharp, 1996).

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men can't compete as women! what an injustice!

I think Zuby (who identifies as a woman while weightlifting) should be allowed to compete and certify these records. How do you feel?https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1100348562041462784

I'll take the squat and bench press records too while I'm at it...

May as well.

To fight bigotry.

Just took the UK women's bench press record too...

For reps. 

Strong, stunning and brave.

So what's the problem? Not ALL the female weightlifters are currently allowed to compete!

Here in Sweden, we don't deal with such rubbish. We have great and completely fair sportives. Health care here is superb. Leave the USA and move here now. And our roads are great too. #happy#NO trumps allowed

Not long ago 66% of people believed the world was flat. Some still do.

Why is it a point of argument that "authors" and the general stupid public believes that woman will catch up to men in the record books? Well, I guess we found a way for that to happen.

Say goodbye to women in sports.

I went to see a consultant surgeon yesterday about a procedure and he commented that the issue was partly influenced by gender. I made a crack that "gender" could mean anything you want it to now. His response was that as a medical professional dealing with matters of human biology, his work is divided into only two types of person - those with testes and those with a uterus. How surprising.

Armstronglivs wrote:

I went to see a consultant surgeon yesterday about a procedure and he commented that the issue was partly influenced by gender. I made a crack that "gender" could mean anything you want it to now. His response was that as a medical professional dealing with matters of human biology, his work is divided into only two types of person - those with testes and those with a uterus. How surprising.

In the second installment of an interview with RT Sport, Zuby explains the dangers of delusion and why compassion needs to be focused on female athletes, rather than making concessions for their transgender counterparts at their expense, to save women's sport and potentially lives.

Certain people appear to be trying to ignore some simple facts of biology - namely that biological men are stronger than biological women. Do you think those people harbor any intentional malice?

I do think people can be so compassionate in a way that they can become not compassionate in another way. So you’re not thinking about these female athletes who have been pushing perhaps their entire lives to get in certain positions or compete in certain competitions or what not and I know that if I were a female, if I were born a woman and I’m a woman and I’m competing in any of these sports and then someone who was a man last year kind of steps up and starts dominating myself and all these other women in these sports, then I would think that that is a gross injustice.

What do you think needs to change?

I don’t know why those people who claim to be progressive or compassionate or whatever are not looking at it also from that other angle and thinking wait hang on, given what we know about men and women and the biological differences is this going to be fair on women and I think the categorical answer to that question is no.

Perhaps it would come down to those female athletes stepping up and saying their piece because they are the ones it would be directly affecting. It's not gonna be happening the other way round, you’re not gonna have women transitioning into men and dominating men in sport. And the fact that that in itself is not happening, and will not happen, that is enough to show that there is a difference.

Do you think that it will take perhaps someone to lose their life - maybe in combat sports competing against a trans athlete - for people to admit that difference?

I genuinely hope it will not have to come to that, I do hope that people will think sensibly, objectively, get out of their feelings a little bit and stop worrying about trying to be overly virtuous or overly progressive or whatever phrase they think they’re being and just look at the situation very objectively. So I hope that people will sort of snap out of this delusion to be honest with you.

Do you think that will happen?

I wouldn't want to see women getting harmed, beaten up, getting the records crushed, by people who are biologically still men. It's not fair, it’s not right, it's not correct. And hopefully people can zoom out a little bit and look at the issue and hopefully it will not have to go that far.

On the flip side, maybe you’ll need to have a whole bunch of men transitioning into women and taking all the records and dominating all the sports and maybe that’s what it will take for people to finally be like hang on this is not right.

Some progressives or liberals who refute your claim you identified as female during the lift, but refuse to challenge any biological male that wants to be considered female and compete in women's sports. What would you say to those people?

I would say be intellectually consistent. If you are preaching and promoting that somebody can be whatever they claim to be and you cannot question it and that needs to be acknowledged and recognized and accepted by everybody else and that’s mandatory, then you therefore cannot criticize. You then do not have a leg to stand on to say that I was not in fact a woman at the time of that lift.

https://www.rt.com/sport/455388-zuby-trans-sport-issue/

Interview wrote:

Some progressives or liberals who refute your claim you identified as female during the lift, but refuse to challenge any biological male that wants to be considered female and compete in women's sports. What would you say to those people?

I would say be intellectually consistent. If you are preaching and promoting that somebody can be whatever they claim to be and you cannot question it and that needs to be acknowledged and recognized and accepted by everybody else and that’s mandatory, then you therefore cannot criticize. You then do not have a leg to stand on to say that I was not in fact a woman at the time of that lift.

I am a liberal, and I am generally in favor of trans rights, but this is bad logic in the response here. When i recognize a person as being a trans female, I am acknowledging something about this person's brain. I am saying that I think they have the kind of brain that produces internal experiences like those experiences had by females. However, athletic competitions have nothing to do with one's internal experiences. They are about the abilities and features of one's physical, non-brain body.

Imagine this thought experiment: If my wife's brain were suddenly dropped into Lebron's head, should she get to compete as a female? That creature would be female because personal identity is a matter of one's brain, and my wife is about as feminine as it gets. However, it would be ludicrous for her to get to compete in a women's basketball league. The relevant gender differences in basketball have nothing to do with how girly she is on the inside.

Yes. Transgenderism is a brain based problem. These people are not only illogical they are most likely insane.