2018 NCAA "American Only" Cross Country Results (Men)

Lickety Split wrote:

For you HS Seniors out there .... this is really how you have to look at the programs results this year:

1) Altitude/Mountain Teams ..... pretty much "Rocky Mountain High!"

1 Northern Arizona

2 BYU

3 Colorado

9 Colorado St.

10 Boise State

12 Wyoming

20 Air Force

21 Southern Utah

2) AMORICA'S TEAMS: Those that will never win again, but have great academics.

5 Stanford

6 Washington

11 North Carolina St.

14 Notre Dame

18 Indiana

22 Princeton

24 Bradley

29 Purdue

3) TOKEN FOREIGNERS REQUIRED: Those that will win again, but require ANZAC or the "Rift Valley Express" reinforcements.

3 Portland

7 Iowa State

8 Wisconsin

13 Oklahoma State

26 Syracuse

4) ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN! The Balanced T&F/XC Programs = Limited Scholarships!

15 Oregon

19 Michigan

25 Arkansas

27 Texas

31 Florida State

5) The GLOBALISTS! Your probably "walking on"!

16 Eastern Kentucky

17 Ole Miss

23 Villanova

28 Iona

30 Tulsa

TL;DR wrote:

Lickety Split wrote:

For you HS Seniors out there .... this is really how you have to look at the programs results this year:

1) Altitude/Mountain Teams ..... pretty much "Rocky Mountain High!"

1 Northern Arizona

2 BYU

3 Colorado

9 Colorado St.

10 Boise State

12 Wyoming

20 Air Force

21 Southern Utah

2) AMORICA'S TEAMS: Those that will never win again, but have great academics.

5 Stanford

6 Washington

11 North Carolina St.

14 Notre Dame

18 Indiana

22 Princeton

24 Bradley

29 Purdue

3) TOKEN FOREIGNERS REQUIRED: Those that will win again, but require ANZAC or the "Rift Valley Express" reinforcements.

3 Portland

7 Iowa State

8 Wisconsin

13 Oklahoma State

26 Syracuse

4) ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN! The Balanced T&F/XC Programs = Limited Scholarships!

15 Oregon

19 Michigan

25 Arkansas

27 Texas

31 Florida State

5) The GLOBALISTS! Your probably "walking on"!

16 Eastern Kentucky

17 Ole Miss

23 Villanova

28 Iona

30 Tulsa

TL; DR

diarrhea nonsense

congrats, you just wasted a perfectly good Sunday posting troll fluff all day long

Your A Total Moron wrote:

Lickety Split wrote:

I further announce "Lickety's All-Americans" as reflected below. Props to those who don't train at altitude (A), didn't go on a Mission, & were individual (IND) versus team performers. 35% of the "Real Americans" that attended a college at altitude made "Lickety's All-American" Team .... a data point for future HS athletes & current programs that "Location Matters!" By that I mean, teams at elevation have a better opportunity focusing on middle/long-distance runners & perhaps add a few field eventers like decathlon to compete better in Cross-Country-Indoor-Outdoor hat-trick. I "buckled" by including BYU athletes in this mix ... huge advantage w/age & altitude: their top 5 made "Lickety's All-American" Team.

(1) Grant Fisher .... Stanford

(2) Isai Rodriguez ... OK State

(3) Aaron Templeton ... Furman (IND)

(4) Tyler Day ... NAU (A)

(5) Joe Klecker ... Colorado (A)

(6) John Dressel ... Colorado (A)

(7) Connor Mantz ... BYU (A)/Mission

(8) Ryan Forsyth ... Colorado (A)

(9) Alex Ostberg ... Stanford

(10) Peter Seufer ... Va Tech (IND)

(11) Tanner Anderson ...Washington

(12) Paul Roberts ... Wyoming (A)

(13) Rory Linkletter ... BYU (A)/Mission

(14) Luis Grijalva ... NAU (A)

(15) Connor McMillan ... BYU (A)/Mission

(16) Logan Orndof ... Portland

(17) Ashenafi Hatte ... OK State

(18) Addison Dehaven ... Boise State (A)*

(19) Peter Lomong ... NAU (A)

(20) Alek Parsons ... Stanford

(21) Brad Demarest ... Virginia (IND)

(22) Danny Kilrea ... Notre Dame (IND)

(23) Clayson Shumway ... BYU (A)/Mission

(24) John Aho ... Michigan

(25) Waleed Suliman ... Ole Miss

(26) Thibebu Procter ... Washington

(27) Nick Hauger … Portland

(28) Carson Hume …. Colorado State (A)

(29) Eduardo Herrera … Colorado (A)

(30) Riley Campbell … Boise State (A)*

(31) Andrew Jordan … Iowa State

(32) Kieran Tuntivate … Harvard (IND)

(33) Kyle Mau …. Indiana

(34) Jacob Hesslington … BYU (A)/Mission

(35) Aidan Reed …. Southern Utah (A)

(36) Kyle Mattes … Illinois State (IND)

(37) NICK WAREHAM … Georgetown

(38) Ian Shanklin … NC State

(39) Olin Hacker … Wisconsin

(40) Fred Huxman … Washington

* NOTE: Assumed Boise State athletes had the opportunity for significant altitude training.

Mantz is 22 and would be a red shirt jr, had he not served a mission. Graduated HS in 2015

Linkletter and McMillan didnt even serve missions. Both graduated HS in 2014 and are red shirt seniors

Shumway served an LDS mission and graduated in 2014--Would be a red shirt Sr.

Heslington and McLellend graduated in 2013 and by your ridiculous claim, would be "age cheats"

Young graduated in 2012 and would likewise be an "age cheat"

Lets now look at what BYU would be if the Mission was not a thing.

#1 Mantz -JR- 10th @ 2018 NCAA championships

#2 LInkletter- Sr- 22nd at 2018 NCAA championships

#3 Casey Clinger- So-24th at 2017 NCAA championships (Serving a mission currently)

#4 Connor McMillan-Sr- 24th at 2018 NCAA Championships

#5 Clayson Shumway- Sr- 32nd at 2018 NCAA Championships

#6 Aidan Troutner- Fr- 2017 NXN Champion (Serving a mission currently)

#7 Throw in any other guy that would still have eligibility if they didnt serve a mission and didnt race nationals but would have on any other team in the country (Jacklin, Garnica, Otteson, Weaver, MaKay Johns(on mission right now).

How do you think BYU would have done yesterday is you take this into consideration? well lets see..

-Tyler Day 6th (NAU)

-Conner Mantz 10th (BYU)

-Matthew Baxter 15th (NAU)

-Rory Linkletter 22nd (BYU)

-Luis Grijalva 23rd (NAU)

-Casey Clinger 24th (BYU)--if he didnt make a single improvement from last year, which is unlikely.

-Connor McMillan 25th) (BYU)

-Blaise Ferro 27th (NAU)

-Peter Lomong 30th (NAU)

-Clayson Shumway 33nd (BYU)

NAU 101

BYU 114

(Scores are rough and not taking out individuals)

It looks like the race could have been a lot closer if it wasn't for the "age cheating BYU athletes." Something also to consider is that NAU's 7th man will be going on a two year LDS mission next year and they currently have another runner (Joe Benson) who is on a mission. So are they also age cheats? Do you homework before you come out and accuse.

On another note, runners of the BYU cross country team do not go on missions have an advantage to run PERIOD. They go out to serve Jesus Christ, by helping others come closer to Him. Do you think that would be easy? Do you think it would be easy to leave your family and friends for two years, with only weekly email communication ? Do you think it would be easy learning a new language and living in a foreign land? Do you think it would be easy saving up the money to go serve a mission like this, pushing off your future plans? Do you think it would be easy having people yell at you, in some places beat you up, and because you were just trying to help them? It is extremely difficult to serve a mission. It is also very difficult to go without running for two years and then to just jump into a college caliber of training--something you may not have ever done before, and especially at BYU.

I know you think that you KNOW this is an unfair advantage for BYU and you could continue to think this for all i care, but i have seen countless runners come back from missions, and never be able to ever get back to their JR times in high school. Remember a guy by the name of Brad Nye , for example? That guy ran 403 in HS and after coming back from a mission could never break 410 again.

Besides that point of BYU, i also see a larger issue and that is that you think that you can just throw out the "non-american" runners like they don't count. Was this suppose to be racially inspired? Do you really think that because someone was born in New Zealand, Canada, or Eastern Africa that they all of a sudden dont count? Like they haven't put in the work to compete? Like they aren't as human as an american? These people come to America so they can have a better life and have opportunity to get a quality education, while getting it paid for by working at something they love. It is people like you why we have problems in this country. You seriously need to think before you post something like this.

Lickety Split wrote:

Your A Total Moron wrote:

Mantz is 22 and would be a red shirt jr, had he not served a mission. Graduated HS in 2015

Linkletter and McMillan didnt even serve missions. Both graduated HS in 2014 and are red shirt seniors

Shumway served an LDS mission and graduated in 2014--Would be a red shirt Sr.

Heslington and McLellend graduated in 2013 and by your ridiculous claim, would be "age cheats"

Young graduated in 2012 and would likewise be an "age cheat"

Lets now look at what BYU would be if the Mission was not a thing.

#1 Mantz -JR- 10th @ 2018 NCAA championships

#2 LInkletter- Sr- 22nd at 2018 NCAA championships

#3 Casey Clinger- So-24th at 2017 NCAA championships (Serving a mission currently)

#4 Connor McMillan-Sr- 24th at 2018 NCAA Championships

#5 Clayson Shumway- Sr- 32nd at 2018 NCAA Championships

#6 Aidan Troutner- Fr- 2017 NXN Champion (Serving a mission currently)

#7 Throw in any other guy that would still have eligibility if they didnt serve a mission and didnt race nationals but would have on any other team in the country (Jacklin, Garnica, Otteson, Weaver, MaKay Johns(on mission right now).

How do you think BYU would have done yesterday is you take this into consideration? well lets see..

-Tyler Day 6th (NAU)

-Conner Mantz 10th (BYU)

-Matthew Baxter 15th (NAU)

-Rory Linkletter 22nd (BYU)

-Luis Grijalva 23rd (NAU)

-Casey Clinger 24th (BYU)--if he didnt make a single improvement from last year, which is unlikely.

-Connor McMillan 25th) (BYU)

-Blaise Ferro 27th (NAU)

-Peter Lomong 30th (NAU)

-Clayson Shumway 33nd (BYU)

NAU 101

BYU 114

(Scores are rough and not taking out individuals)

It looks like the race could have been a lot closer if it wasn't for the "age cheating BYU athletes." Something also to consider is that NAU's 7th man will be going on a two year LDS mission next year and they currently have another runner (Joe Benson) who is on a mission. So are they also age cheats? Do you homework before you come out and accuse.

On another note, runners of the BYU cross country team do not go on missions have an advantage to run PERIOD. They go out to serve Jesus Christ, by helping others come closer to Him. Do you think that would be easy? Do you think it would be easy to leave your family and friends for two years, with only weekly email communication ? Do you think it would be easy learning a new language and living in a foreign land? Do you think it would be easy saving up the money to go serve a mission like this, pushing off your future plans? Do you think it would be easy having people yell at you, in some places beat you up, and because you were just trying to help them? It is extremely difficult to serve a mission. It is also very difficult to go without running for two years and then to just jump into a college caliber of training--something you may not have ever done before, and especially at BYU.

I know you think that you KNOW this is an unfair advantage for BYU and you could continue to think this for all i care, but i have seen countless runners come back from missions, and never be able to ever get back to their JR times in high school. Remember a guy by the name of Brad Nye , for example? That guy ran 403 in HS and after coming back from a mission could never break 410 again.

Besides that point of BYU, i also see a larger issue and that is that you think that you can just throw out the "non-american" runners like they don't count. Was this suppose to be racially inspired? Do you really think that because someone was born in New Zealand, Canada, or Eastern Africa that they all of a sudden dont count? Like they haven't put in the work to compete? Like they aren't as human as an american? These people come to America so they can have a better life and have opportunity to get a quality education, while getting it paid for by working at something they love. It is people like you why we have problems in this country. You seriously need to think before you post something like this.

- Thank you for confirming my points on the following:

* Mantz & Shumway are 22 & is really being a red shirt jr

* I assume Coach Eyestone didn't execute the 2-year mission option on Linkletter and McMillan because he thought he could take down NAU.

- The "2-Year LDS" exemption is a SCAM ... I disagree w/your apologetic perspective.

- NAU: yes, they are "age cheats" as well if they're executing an LDS mission.

- Non-American Runners: you are incorrect wrt racial inspiration ... my position is based upon being a citizen, taxpayer, & that it's called the "National" Collegiate Conference Association (NCAA) not the International CCA (ICAA). These events look more & more like World University Games ... but w/Green Cards.

alshaw wrote:

Lickety Split wrote:

- Thank you for confirming my points on the following:

* Mantz & Shumway are 22 & is really being a red shirt jr

* I assume Coach Eyestone didn't execute the 2-year mission option on Linkletter and McMillan because he thought he could take down NAU.

- The "2-Year LDS" exemption is a SCAM ... I disagree w/your apologetic perspective.

- NAU: yes, they are "age cheats" as well if they're executing an LDS mission.

- Non-American Runners: you are incorrect wrt racial inspiration ... my position is based upon being a citizen, taxpayer, & that it's called the "National" Collegiate Conference Association (NCAA) not the International CCA (ICAA). These events look more & more like World University Games ... but w/Green Cards.

You think Eyestone “executes” a mission option? Those boys CHOSE not to go on a mission, exercising their own free will. Others CHOSE to forgo running for 2 years and to go on a mission.