2018 NCAA "American Only" Cross Country Results (Men)

Who is 26? Who is over 23?

This is really great! Would love to see this dome completely for men and women.

BYU AA wrote:

Who is 26? Who is over 23?

Connor Mantz for example .... a likely future 26 year-old Senior. These BYU guys do their mission & have a red-shirt year to spare. This plus altitude benefits is why I don't really count them.

Onbiard wrote:

This is really great! Would love to see this dome completely for men and women.

- What would be really GREAT would be the NCAA only granting "All American" status to it citizens ... this meet looks more like the Commonwealth Games minus the US.

- Grateful that NAU & OK State took chances on Tyler Day & Rodriguez respectively versus further shopping in the "Commonwealth Market."

Lickety Split wrote:

BYU AA wrote:

Who is 26? Who is over 23?

Connor Mantz for example .... a likely future 26 year-old Senior. These BYU guys do their mission & have a red-shirt year to spare. This plus altitude benefits is why I don't really count them.

If you going to discriminate based upon "altitude benefits" I guess you might need to remove from Colorado and Colorado State from your list as well.

#trumpsteam

Nc state has Canada, Ireland and australia on their roster. Even if they werent competing they had the benefit of training and fraternizing with these superior beings. fired.

Stanford has netherlands and canada on the roster plus several minorities. fake news.

Washington has 3x Canadians and one from new zealand. Plus a suspect muslim. Put the huskies on a suspected terrorist list.

Colorado and Colorado State seem to be very pure. Lets give the edge to state as they dont even have anyone who might be a second generation citizen. #refueledbypurerockymtnh20

See handle.

you are wrote:

#trumpsteam

Nc state has Canada, Ireland and australia on their roster. Even if they werent competing they had the benefit of training and fraternizing with these superior beings. fired.

Stanford has netherlands and canada on the roster plus several minorities. fake news.

Washington has 3x Canadians and one from new zealand. Plus a suspect muslim. Put the huskies on a suspected terrorist list.

Colorado and Colorado State seem to be very pure. Lets give the edge to state as they dont even have anyone who might be a second generation citizen. #refueledbypurerockymtnh20

- None of these guys scored.

Lickety Split wrote:

Top 5*

# 1 Colorado (A)

# 2 Stanford

# 3 Washington

# 4 Colorado State (A)

#5 NC State

NOTE: BYU isn't counted given this crazy 2-year mission rule where you end up having 26 year-old Seniors. The NCAA's equivalent of WCAP

Congrats to Coach Wetmore for both Men and Women's Championships!

I further announce "Lickety's All-Americans" as reflected below. Props to those who don't train at altitude (A), didn't go on a Mission, & were individual (IND) versus team performers. 35% of the "Real Americans" that attended a college at altitude made "Lickety's All-American" Team .... a data point for future HS athletes & current programs that "Location Matters!" By that I mean, teams at elevation have a better opportunity focusing on middle/long-distance runners & perhaps add a few field eventers like decathlon to compete better in Cross-Country-Indoor-Outdoor hat-trick. I "buckled" by including BYU athletes in this mix ... huge advantage w/age & altitude: their top 5 made "Lickety's All-American" Team.

(1) Grant Fisher .... Stanford

(2) Isai Rodriguez ... OK State

(3) Aaron Templeton ... Furman (IND)

(4) Tyler Day ... NAU (A)

(5) Joe Klecker ... Colorado (A)

(6) John Dressel ... Colorado (A)

(7) Connor Mantz ... BYU (A)/Mission

(8) Ryan Forsyth ... Colorado (A)

(9) Alex Ostberg ... Stanford

(10) Peter Seufer ... Va Tech (IND)

(11) Tanner Anderson ...Washington

(12) Paul Roberts ... Wyoming (A)

(13) Rory Linkletter ... BYU (A)/Mission

(14) Luis Grijalva ... NAU (A)

(15) Connor McMillan ... BYU (A)/Mission

(16) Logan Orndof ... Portland

(17) Ashenafi Hatte ... OK State

(18) Addison Dehaven ... Boise State (A)*

(19) Peter Lomong ... NAU (A)

(20) Alek Parsons ... Stanford

(21) Brad Demarest ... Virginia (IND)

(22) Danny Kilrea ... Notre Dame (IND)

(23) Clayson Shumway ... BYU (A)/Mission

(24) John Aho ... Michigan

(25) Waleed Suliman ... Ole Miss

(26) Thibebu Procter ... Washington

(27) Nick Hauger … Portland

(28) Carson Hume …. Colorado State (A)

(29) Eduardo Herrera … Colorado (A)

(30) Riley Campbell … Boise State (A)*

(31) Andrew Jordan … Iowa State

(32) Kieran Tuntivate … Harvard (IND)

(33) Kyle Mau …. Indiana

(34) Jacob Hesslington … BYU (A)/Mission

(35) Aidan Reed …. Southern Utah (A)

(36) Kyle Mattes … Illinois State (IND)

(37) NICK WAREHAM … Georgetown

(38) Ian Shanklin … NC State

(39) Olin Hacker … Wisconsin

(40) Fred Huxman … Washington

* NOTE: Assumed Boise State athletes had the opportunity for significant altitude training.

Remember: Most NCAA D1 Kenyans are going to join the US Army WCAP and become patriotic Americans. Within several years their Kenyan passports are all going into the garbage bin. They are doing our country way more good than the American-born unpatriotic SJW snowflakes could possibly do.

All true M-A-G-A folks should root for the Kenyan imports.

- I gave theme the benefit of the doubt .... pretty confident w/Rodriguez & Lomong

- The other "Take-Away" from this meet is that Isai Rodriguez should consider going PRO immediately ... similar to Evan Jager & Drew Hunter. My research DOES NOT reflect a "Real American" NCAA XC performance comparable since Bob Kennedy's victory. This was Sydney McLaughlin-like!!!

Three of Villanova's scorers are from the Philadelphia suburbs. I wonder how many other teams had that many scorers who grew up within commuting distance of the college.

(The other two scorers are foreigners though.)

Lickety Split wrote:

- I gave theme the benefit of the doubt .... pretty confident w/Rodriguez & Lomong

- The other "Take-Away" from this meet is that Isai Rodriguez should consider going PRO immediately ... similar to Evan Jager & Drew Hunter. My research DOES NOT reflect a "Real American" NCAA XC performance comparable since Bob Kennedy's victory. This was Sydney McLaughlin-like!!!

You don't get a decent pro contract for 4th place at NCAA XC. Rodriguez was good all season, but it was one race he has not yet duplicated.

Now if the kid puts up some good times in track, he might be worth another look. It's clear based on his performance yesterday that he is aboslutely oozing with talent and we are only seeing the start of it, if he stays focused and healthy.

Why are you putting A/mission next to the BYU guys who didn’t go on one?

Also do you all really think BYU was better this year because of LDS missions? You think Mantz wouldn’t be better now had he not taken 2 years off? And Linkletter and McMillan didn’t serve missions... also they would have Casey Clinger right now if it weren’t for missions so... ya’ll just sound salty.

Lickety Split wrote:* NOTE: Assumed Boise State athletes had the opportunity for significant altitude training.

Are you sure about:

(32) Kieran Tuntivate Harvard (IND)

Kieran is half American through his mother and half Thai through his father. He holds both US and Thai citizenship. Kieran recently represented Thailand in the Asian Games 10000m run this past August where he finished fourth in a time of 30:29.04

Bradely has a bunch of Illinois and Southern Wisconsin guys. University of Illinois also has a bunch but they redshirted the teams this year.

Mantz is 22 and would be a red shirt jr, had he not served a mission. Graduated HS in 2015

Linkletter and McMillan didnt even serve missions. Both graduated HS in 2014 and are red shirt seniors

Shumway served an LDS mission and graduated in 2014--Would be a red shirt Sr.

Heslington and McLellend graduated in 2013 and by your ridiculous claim, would be "age cheats"

Young graduated in 2012 and would likewise be an "age cheat"

Lets now look at what BYU would be if the Mission was not a thing.

#1 Mantz -JR- 10th @ 2018 NCAA championships

#2 LInkletter- Sr- 22nd at 2018 NCAA championships

#3 Casey Clinger- So-24th at 2017 NCAA championships (Serving a mission currently)

#4 Connor McMillan-Sr- 24th at 2018 NCAA Championships

#5 Clayson Shumway- Sr- 32nd at 2018 NCAA Championships

#6 Aidan Troutner- Fr- 2017 NXN Champion (Serving a mission currently)

#7 Throw in any other guy that would still have eligibility if they didnt serve a mission and didnt race nationals but would have on any other team in the country (Jacklin, Garnica, Otteson, Weaver, MaKay Johns(on mission right now).

How do you think BYU would have done yesterday is you take this into consideration? well lets see..

-Tyler Day 6th (NAU)

-Conner Mantz 10th (BYU)

-Matthew Baxter 15th (NAU)

-Rory Linkletter 22nd (BYU)

-Luis Grijalva 23rd (NAU)

-Casey Clinger 24th (BYU)--if he didnt make a single improvement from last year, which is unlikely.

-Connor McMillan 25th) (BYU)

-Blaise Ferro 27th (NAU)

-Peter Lomong 30th (NAU)

-Clayson Shumway 33nd (BYU)

NAU 101

BYU 114

(Scores are rough and not taking out individuals)

It looks like the race could have been a lot closer if it wasn't for the "age cheating BYU athletes." Something also to consider is that NAU's 7th man will be going on a two year LDS mission next year and they currently have another runner (Joe Benson) who is on a mission. So are they also age cheats? Do you homework before you come out and accuse.

On another note, runners of the BYU cross country team do not go on missions have an advantage to run PERIOD. They go out to serve Jesus Christ, by helping others come closer to Him. Do you think that would be easy? Do you think it would be easy to leave your family and friends for two years, with only weekly email communication ? Do you think it would be easy learning a new language and living in a foreign land? Do you think it would be easy saving up the money to go serve a mission like this, pushing off your future plans? Do you think it would be easy having people yell at you, in some places beat you up, and because you were just trying to help them? It is extremely difficult to serve a mission. It is also very difficult to go without running for two years and then to just jump into a college caliber of training--something you may not have ever done before, and especially at BYU.

I know you think that you KNOW this is an unfair advantage for BYU and you could continue to think this for all i care, but i have seen countless runners come back from missions, and never be able to ever get back to their JR times in high school. Remember a guy by the name of Brad Nye , for example? That guy ran 403 in HS and after coming back from a mission could never break 410 again.

Besides that point of BYU, i also see a larger issue and that is that you think that you can just throw out the "non-american" runners like they don't count. Was this suppose to be racially inspired? Do you really think that because someone was born in New Zealand, Canada, or Eastern Africa that they all of a sudden dont count? Like they haven't put in the work to compete? Like they aren't as human as an american? These people come to America so they can have a better life and have opportunity to get a quality education, while getting it paid for by working at something they love. It is people like you why we have problems in this country. You seriously need to think before you post something like this.

Ackley wrote:

Three of Villanova's scorers are from the Philadelphia suburbs. I wonder how many other teams had that many scorers who grew up within commuting distance of the college.

(The other two scorers are foreigners though.)

Yes. BYU's top seven all are from commuting distance to BYU, minus maybe Mantz because he is from Logan Utah.