Lickety Split wrote:
Your A Total Moron wrote:
Mantz is 22 and would be a red shirt jr, had he not served a mission. Graduated HS in 2015
Linkletter and McMillan didnt even serve missions. Both graduated HS in 2014 and are red shirt seniors
Shumway served an LDS mission and graduated in 2014--Would be a red shirt Sr.
Heslington and McLellend graduated in 2013 and by your ridiculous claim, would be "age cheats"
Young graduated in 2012 and would likewise be an "age cheat"
Lets now look at what BYU would be if the Mission was not a thing.
#1 Mantz -JR- 10th @ 2018 NCAA championships
#2 LInkletter- Sr- 22nd at 2018 NCAA championships
#3 Casey Clinger- So-24th at 2017 NCAA championships (Serving a mission currently)
#4 Connor McMillan-Sr- 24th at 2018 NCAA Championships
#5 Clayson Shumway- Sr- 32nd at 2018 NCAA Championships
#6 Aidan Troutner- Fr- 2017 NXN Champion (Serving a mission currently)
#7 Throw in any other guy that would still have eligibility if they didnt serve a mission and didnt race nationals but would have on any other team in the country (Jacklin, Garnica, Otteson, Weaver, MaKay Johns(on mission right now).
How do you think BYU would have done yesterday is you take this into consideration? well lets see..
-Tyler Day 6th (NAU)
-Conner Mantz 10th (BYU)
-Matthew Baxter 15th (NAU)
-Rory Linkletter 22nd (BYU)
-Luis Grijalva 23rd (NAU)
-Casey Clinger 24th (BYU)--if he didnt make a single improvement from last year, which is unlikely.
-Connor McMillan 25th) (BYU)
-Blaise Ferro 27th (NAU)
-Peter Lomong 30th (NAU)
-Clayson Shumway 33nd (BYU)
(Scores are rough and not taking out individuals)
It looks like the race could have been a lot closer if it wasn't for the "age cheating BYU athletes." Something also to consider is that NAU's 7th man will be going on a two year LDS mission next year and they currently have another runner (Joe Benson) who is on a mission. So are they also age cheats? Do you homework before you come out and accuse.
On another note, runners of the BYU cross country team do not go on missions have an advantage to run PERIOD. They go out to serve Jesus Christ, by helping others come closer to Him. Do you think that would be easy? Do you think it would be easy to leave your family and friends for two years, with only weekly email communication ? Do you think it would be easy learning a new language and living in a foreign land? Do you think it would be easy saving up the money to go serve a mission like this, pushing off your future plans? Do you think it would be easy having people yell at you, in some places beat you up, and because you were just trying to help them? It is extremely difficult to serve a mission. It is also very difficult to go without running for two years and then to just jump into a college caliber of training--something you may not have ever done before, and especially at BYU.
I know you think that you KNOW this is an unfair advantage for BYU and you could continue to think this for all i care, but i have seen countless runners come back from missions, and never be able to ever get back to their JR times in high school. Remember a guy by the name of Brad Nye , for example? That guy ran 403 in HS and after coming back from a mission could never break 410 again.
Besides that point of BYU, i also see a larger issue and that is that you think that you can just throw out the "non-american" runners like they don't count. Was this suppose to be racially inspired? Do you really think that because someone was born in New Zealand, Canada, or Eastern Africa that they all of a sudden dont count? Like they haven't put in the work to compete? Like they aren't as human as an american? These people come to America so they can have a better life and have opportunity to get a quality education, while getting it paid for by working at something they love. It is people like you why we have problems in this country. You seriously need to think before you post something like this.
- Thank you for confirming my points on the following:
* Mantz & Shumway are 22 & is really being a red shirt jr
* I assume Coach Eyestone didn't execute the 2-year mission option on Linkletter and McMillan because he thought he could take down NAU.
- The "2-Year LDS" exemption is a SCAM ... I disagree w/your apologetic perspective.
- NAU: yes, they are "age cheats" as well if they're executing an LDS mission.
- Non-American Runners: you are incorrect wrt racial inspiration ... my position is based upon being a citizen, taxpayer, & that it's called the "National" Collegiate Conference Association (NCAA) not the International CCA (ICAA). These events look more & more like World University Games ... but w/Green Cards.
You think Eyestone “executes” a mission option? Those boys CHOSE not to go on a mission, exercising their own free will. Others CHOSE to forgo running for 2 years and to go on a mission.