They should do it royal rumble style.
The jobbers start first to wear each other out. Last place at 400m gets eliminated. Then each lap a better runner starts.
So as the jobbers approach the start/finish line an air horn goes off and a faster guy starts so the faster guy has to run 400 to unlap themselves.
hypotheticalscenario wrote:
Assuming an outdoor 400m track.
The two runners start at the same time; the first to be able to lap (technically half-lap) the other one is winning (so he/she has to do 200m than the other in the same time).
Which specialist would be better suited for these events? I am thinking of 1500m specialists.
The 400m specialists could go for a quick win but they will probably slow down and be unable to restart.
Does this event exist?
And in the female context Almaz Ayana would be untouchable.
Monica Farro wrote:
Killian Jornet
End of the thread
What, are they going to do laps around Everest?
If so, Killian will win.
....but only his entourage will witness it and, of course the Strava data might be in conflict with his phacts.
Monica Farro wrote:
Killian Jornet
End of the thread
David Rudisha would chase Jornet down within 1000 meters.
Eliud Kipchoge, K Bekele, H Geb?
Who could make up 200 meters on any of these guys?
Nobody but themselves -- world class marathoners with sub 4 minute mile speed
hypotheticalscenario wrote:
Assuming an outdoor 400m track.
The two runners start at the same time; the first to be able to lap (technically half-lap) the other one is winning (so he/she has to do 200m than the other in the same time).
Which specialist would be better suited for these events? I am thinking of 1500m specialists.
The 400m specialists could go for a quick win but they will probably slow down and be unable to restart.
Does this event exist?
So the key here as some have realized is that it's very hard to make up 200m on a runner of similar ability. So in a sense it just comes down to who is the fastest runner over 10k-marathon.
BUT, the strategy isn't going to be to actually go out so fast you catch the guy early. That won't work. What WILL work is to force the other guy to positive split and then be a better positive splitter. Then you slowly grind him into the ground.
I think a prime Bekele wins this just because of how good he was, but he's always been a big kicker and a fast finisher. The format doesn't suit him. Neither does it suit Farah, or Gebrselassie. Kipchoge has done well with a positive split, and so has Kamworor.
But prime Sammy Wanjiru will absolutely shine in this format.
Here's the strategy: go out in around 13:10. The other guy is then force to go out in around 13:20 (well he's not forced, but I don't think an elite runner is going to want to willingly give up more than 10 seconds to prime Wanjiru when neither of them is going all-out).
Then run 13:45 for the second 5k, and the other guy will do 13:40. Then he's run a 27-minute 10k with a sizable positive split, only to still be slightly behind. I think almost every runner will physically crack soon after this, while Wanjiru could go say 14:20, 15:00 and roll the guy down.
Maybe someone like Kipchoge or prime Bekele/Geb could hold on to this sort of pace. And maybe someone like Kamworor could beat Wanjiru at his own game. But I don't think anyone else in the world could live with this pace.
reed wrote:
Kipchoge is NOT the correct answer here. There are many guys right now who can run around 26:40s for 10k and I don't think Kipchoge would be prepared for that. He could maybe run 27:10s, which would mean he'd get caught somewhere around 25-30min into the race.
and yes, I know that not many active runners have run 26:40s but that is due to the lack of opportunity, not a lack of fitness.
Kipchoge. Nobody is running 26:40 without pacers.
Maybe I missed it, but nobody mentioned Daniel MF Komen. In his prime he could hold off the 800/1500 type guys and run down the 10k type guys before blowing up.
I feel like Kelly Agnew would know best how to play this game
CoachB wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but nobody mentioned Daniel MF Komen. In his prime he could hold off the 800/1500 type guys and run down the 10k type guys before blowing up.
He's not running down Bekele.
remember him? wrote:
CoachB wrote:
Maybe I missed it, but nobody mentioned Daniel MF Komen. In his prime he could hold off the 800/1500 type guys and run down the 10k type guys before blowing up.
He's not running down Bekele.
Although honestly, I could see prime Komen running an absurd half marathon. But we'll never know...
You are thinking to complicated. If Elliud Kipchoge is in shape he wins 100%
Lets break it down from specialists for every distance and what is needed to avoid beeing lapped. (Because if you run all out you are done, even if its just 5 m left or so)
I calculate 3 s gap tho as they are coming with higher speed.
400m: 43 s
Kipchoge: 200m in 3:20/km
800m: 1:41
Kipchoge: 600 in 2:48/km
1500m: 3:30 (given no pacers, I made an exception for Rudisha as he did not need them)
Kipchoge: 1,3km in 2:41 min/km
3000m: 7:25 -> 2,8km in 2:39 min/km
5000m: 12:45 -> 4,8km in 2:39 min/km
10000m 26:30 -> 9,8km in 2:42 min/km or about 27:00 min
This is the most critical point, but its definetly more likely for Kipchoge to run Sub 27:00 alone than somebody else Sub26:30 alone.
In Halfmarathon Kipchoge can go Sub59 for sure ans he should catch 30s over 42,2km against everyone and if not I have the feeling that he is the guy who could also go to 50 km if he slowes a bit down.
I KNOW THE ANSWER wrote:
I feel like Kelly Agnew would know best how to play this game
True, as long as there are porto johns track side.
I like this idea.
Who would you see in a 3 people team for Team men USA?
You can pass the relay as many time as you want (same process as the 4*100 or 4*400 to pass it) but always at the same spot where your team start.
I am guessing 2 marathon guys and a 800/1500m person if you need a fast finish.
Usain Bolt
What am i missing wrote:
Usain Bolt
He'd be toast after 600m. They did some computer b.s. comparing him to Mo Farah a few years ago and they said they'd be even at a race of 600m.
I feel like the super shoes would make this event more boring as it's likely to take way longer.
My money is on Kipchoge for all-time favorite still.
macdaddy wrote:
reed wrote:
Kipchoge is NOT the correct answer here. There are many guys right now who can run around 26:40s for 10k and I don't think Kipchoge would be prepared for that. He could maybe run 27:10s, which would mean he'd get caught somewhere around 25-30min into the race.
and yes, I know that not many active runners have run 26:40s but that is due to the lack of opportunity, not a lack of fitness.
Rupp, Farah, Cheptegei and Tanui are the only to break 26:50 since 2012 so... who are all these 26:40 guys? And.. why can't they run fast at 5k, 10k or the marathon?
Grant Fisher ran 26:33 and it’s pretty realistic to think he’s barely a top 10 guy in terms of actual ability when considering folks like Cheptegei. Kipchoge would not win against all comers in this event, he would definitely be caught around 10k (not 15 years ago, he was more the 10k archetype then).
This event could be Kamwo's chance to finally win the big one. Watch him hang within 32 of Cheptegei and then reel him in.
hypotheticalscenario wrote:
Assuming an outdoor 400m track.
The two runners start at the same time; the first to be able to lap (technically half-lap) the other one is winning (so he/she has to do 200m than the other in the same time).
Which specialist would be better suited for these events? I am thinking of 1500m specialists.
The 400m specialists could go for a quick win but they will probably slow down and be unable to restart.
Does this event exist?
Jacob Kiplimo. I think he doesn’t get caught by 10k by anyone. And he could catch anyone over 1/2 marathon except much slower 10k runners.