Second world record of the day! UTEP/Kenya's Michael Saruni runs 1:14.79 600

Could be? wrote:

Altitude assisted?

+1

ex-runner wrote:

calculo wrote:

to ascertain merit of 600s, you can apply logarithm method to a whole number multiple distance if it exists

600m times can have a relationship to 3000m which is a whole multiple, an odd multiple

squaring it is also odd number

-> any odd whole number for 600m shoud have an equivalent 3k time which is an even whole number

after trial'n'error, i get

1'13.00 = 7'22.00

applying elsewhere, i get relationship between 800 & 3k as

1'42.00 = 7'21.50

->

1'13.00 = 1'42.13

also Johnny's 1'12.81 = 1'41.88

someone can work out Saruni's 1'14.79 as an equivalent for an 800 & see where that places him on the indoor list...

Almost fell off my chair laughing at this

Equating the 600m and 800m to made up 3000m times, why?!

Don't ask why, just feel reassured you still have your sanity.

;lka wrote:

Looks like American legend Johnny Gray with 1:12.81

That's three 24s...

Gray absolutely would have opened a 72-point 600 in 23, if not 22 high!

Saruni’s splits actually show lots of room for improvement:

24.2

25.7

24.9

Shouldn’t be getting faster on the last 200 of a fully executed 600 for time. In terms of energy use it should be more like a 400 than an 800. (Though 800 runners contest it more than true 400 runners, so you don’t see a true long sprint approach to it much. Basically not since Gray and his protege Solomon.)

ex-runner wrote:

calculo wrote:

to ascertain merit of 600s, you can apply logarithm method to a whole number multiple distance if it exists

600m times can have a relationship to 3000m which is a whole multiple, an odd multiple

squaring it is also odd number

-> any odd whole number for 600m shoud have an equivalent 3k time which is an even whole number

after trial'n'error, i get

1'13.00 = 7'22.00

applying elsewhere, i get relationship between 800 & 3k as

1'42.00 = 7'21.50

->

1'13.00 = 1'42.13

also Johnny's 1'12.81 = 1'41.88

someone can work out Saruni's 1'14.79 as an equivalent for an 800 & see where that places him on the indoor list...

Almost fell off my chair laughing at this

Equating the 600m and 800m to made up 3000m times, why?!

idiot

stay out of math/scientific topics way beyond your ameobic level

you offer absolutely nothing but knuckle-dragging unbelievable ignorance

anyone with a decent brain woud understand

100 can be related to 200

200 can be related to 400

400 can be related to 800

800 can be related to 1600

1k can be related to 2k

1500 can be related to 3k

5k can be related to 10k

basic double distance equivalents

we have related :

100, 200, 400, 800, 1600

we have related:

1k, 2k

we have related :

1500, 3k

we have related :

5k, 10k

however, anyone with a brain woud realise that the relationship distance doesn't have to be just doubling but trebling, quadrupling, etc as long as the number is a whole number

Rono ran 3k & 10k records in same year which is more than trebling, so real athletes have shown different distance relationships can work & i'm hugely sure Henry woud want to know which of his 7'32 or 27'22WRs was "stronger"

logical thinking then leads us to know 3k is trebling of 1k, -> 1k & 3k are related

we therefore can relate 1k, 2k, 3k

but we know we can relate 3k to 1500

-> 1k, 1500, 2k, 3k can be related

for 800, we don't have any multiple available, however, we do have multiple of 5 between 400 & 2k

-> 400, 2k can be related

as we can relate 400 & 800

-> 400, 800, 2k can be related

as we know 2k is double of 1k, we can further expand the relationships to :

400, 800, 1k, 2k

add in related 1k & 3k of trebling & 1500 with 3k, we can also insert the 1500 from it's 3k relationship

-> 400, 800, 1k, 1500, 2k, 3k can be related

next step is that is that 5k is a multiple of 1k so we can relate 5k to 1k & also 10k which is ten-time multiple of 1k

-> 400, 800, 1k, 1500, 2k, 3k, 5k, 10k can be related

last step is the 600

fortunately, we can relate it to 3k which is multiple of 5k

-> 600 is related to 3k

we therefore can get inter-related links between all interesting metric race distances

100

200

400

800

1k

1500

2k

3k

5k

10k

can all be related, albeit 200 needs a "tweak" as it is not symmetrical run with 1 bend, 1 straight but indoors is with 2 straight/2 bends, so 200/400 shoud be related to an indoor 200 converted to outdoor, which IMO 20.00 indoors = ~ 19.75 outdoors & 20.00 outdoors is worth 44.50 outdoors instead of expected 44.00

from math, the equivalents for 10.00 :

10.00

20.00

44.50

1'13.65

1'43.00

3'29.63

4'47.50

7'25.25

12'46.75

26'29.50

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Could be? wrote:

Altitude assisted?

+1

impress us

how much did altitude help ???

tell us when Big-Man ran 1'40.91 at sea-level same year he set altitude WR of 1'42.12 us why altitude slowed his nairobi run by well over 1s ???

then tell us how much you offering for Saruni having to run wide on a bend to pass the leader ???

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:Don't ask why, just feel reassured you still have your sanity

from arguably biggest muppet on these boards, that is absurd...

Calculo: I often like reading your math analysis. There are obvious flaws. Many of sense you were never a runner. You may see a 400/800 runner. You analyze the two PRs then you make mathematical predictions for said runner's 1500m ability. You do not allow for some/many runners fall off a cliff. Runners know that other runners fall off performance cliffs. There are 800m runners who have very slow 1500m performances, relatively. The temperment of outstanding indoor 600m athletes is usually significantly different from indoor 3000m athletes. Maybe a young Asbel Kiprop would have been world class at both 600m and 3000m, few others.

ex-runner wrote:

YMMV wrote:

Rudisha's 600m PR (outdoors) is 1:13.10. Comparing on a percentage basis, that puts Saruni firmly in 1:42 territory.

Comparing on a percentage basis:

100.91/73.10 x 74.79 = 103.24 1:43.24

So more 1:43 than 1:42.

However this is making the huge assumption that Rudisha was in 1:40.9 shape when running 1:13.1, which everyone knows he was not.

Season best that year was 1:42.15

102.15/73.1 x 74.79 = 1:44.5

Cas Loxom also ran 1:44.

Rudisha ran his 1:13 outdoors in June, this is January, and indoors. On the other hand, Saruni has a better relative 400 PR. I'm going with 1:43-low by the end of the Summer.

I think you misunderstand me calculo. Maybe I'll state it in a more direct manner:

What's the f*cking point in that gibberish?

You didn't even tell us what you think Saruni will run for 800m, just that 1:13.0 is equivalent to 7:22 3k? If you are saying that Saruni could run a 7:22 3k from that one indoor 600m then you are more crazy than I could have imagined.

We will see what Saruni runs for 800m later in the year, I predict 1:43 low like his teammate Korir

For once a good post, Ventolin

no

drivel is never misunderstandable

why ?

it will be more utter drivel

utterly clueless

it really is woeful how inept you are

did you not understand the thread ?

how inept are you ???

i gave you a list of equivalents

from that you couda calculated what 1'14.79 is for 800i

how absolutely math-useless are you ???

clueless

it is embarrassing how inept you are

it was the :

methodology

that any barely intelligent HS kid coud evaluate, but clearly beyond your capacity

did your inept brain not ever think :

10.00, 20.00, 44.00

aren't they same level ???

they are !!!

but needing some deeper, deeper insight for some corrections of indoors/outdoors & then linking everything from 100 - 10k outdoors

it's usually ineffectually assigned to homo-stoopidus :

"waaay above your pay grade"

utterly clueless

learn to at least read as thinking is clearly is above you

i said equivalent performance !!!

how fuucking stoopid do you have to be to not realise this ?

did your peabrain think i was saying Saruni was also capable of 26'29 ???

what is this "later in year" nonsense ???

there is huge indoor season in next coupla months

he shoud be guaranteed a 1'44 indoors if he chases it

only question is if he can dip into 1'43 indoors

nonsense

Korir ran 43.34 !!! relay off 800/400 training !!!

he was in at very very worst 1'42-flat shape this day

Korir doesn't seem to have opened yet, but let's look back to when he faced that whipping boy

Korir was in 1'42-flat shape last year at worst

Mikey, after watching lotta his later runs was ~ 1'43-flat

he just hadn't adapted to running 800s as well

he has now !!!

600WR holder !!!

it was easy & he blasted the last 200 !!!

if he chases an indoor 800, 1'44+ is automatic

i think he has a 55/45 chance of a 1'43+ indoors

to run 1'43-low outdoors is total drivel

it is question of how much 1'42-low he anchors around...

!

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1'40.92 ?

2'50.92?

3'50.92 ?

yes

yes

no

no

no

yes

no

yes

no

Calculo, you been drinking??

calculo wrote:

10.00

20.00

44.50

1'13.65

1'43.00

3'29.63

4'47.50

7'25.25

12'46.75

26'29.50

apologies

didn't remember to include the 1k, which is huge crux !!!

it is :

2'12.75

Calculo, Ventolin, Eldrick, Ajay, if you are indeed deceased I would like to thank you for all the entertainment you provided. Because you called almost everyone an idiot at some point, nobody would take it personally. Your passion for the sport and statistics was second to none, and I am sure if you could reply you would say “drivel.”