Why isn't Rupp going to Berlin to race against the top marathoners? If he's not even gonna try to be an elite (oly medals aren't enough) he should have stuck with the 10,000 where he was one of the best.
Is Feyisa Lilesa still unable to go home due to government oppression?
HowTheFuk wrote:
I'm honestly curious how someone says "Rupp is in 2:10 shape based on his last performance."
Can someone elaborate on this please?
This is an honest question, not trolling.
I feel like that doesn't take previous marathon / half marathon race conditions into account does it? Trials was hot as balls, and he was instructed to hang back. Rio was humid, hot, and wet, and he knows he's not going to run with Eliud. Boston was hot. Philadelphia half was 96% humidity and I believe he ran 1:02:18 as a solo effort in which no one has anymore info than that about his run.
Sounds kind of like just someone that doesn't like Rupp, or am I missing something? Does 2:08 shape under good weather conditions on a flat course not sound plausible?
That's his average on the marathon, that's why. Like it or not his top shape performance up to this point is around 2:10:00, based on his past performances (2:11:13, 2:10:05, 2:09:58) is pretty accurate to say that. I expect a low or mid 2:09 at Chicago from him. He will be lucky if he can crack less than 2:09:00
Wild stab at what the race looks like at 30km with fairly good weather
4 in a group on sub 2:06 pace, (first and second are here)
6 in a group at sub 2:09 (third is here)
a fair sized sub 2:11 pack (seventh with a big PR and tenth)
This guy gets it, i have been saying since last week that rupp at best is 2:07 high to 2:09 low, at best he gets dragged to 5th or 6th 2:07, or tactical 4th 2:09 low. Thats the reality fan boys
another wild guess put forward wrote:
Wild stab at what the race looks like at 30km with fairly good weather
4 in a group on sub 2:06 pace, (first and second are here)
6 in a group at sub 2:09 (third is here)
a fair sized sub 2:11 pack (seventh with a big PR and tenth)
The morning will be warm and humid. Sunday might be Chicago's 4th 90 degree day in a row. No one will be running at sub-2:06 pace. A few of those sub-2:07 guys won't break 2:15.
I'll tune in the local broadcast at about the 1:40 mark. The wheelchair races seem quite loaded. Chicago will never be what it used to be.
Karl Hungus wrote:
I'm a fan of lack of rabbits. To me it makes it more of a tactical race versus just keeping up with someone.
I think Droddy will drop a sub 2:10 because his majestic hair will earn an insane amount of fan support.
Droddy is a 28-mid guy.
Bad Wigins wrote:
Why isn't Rupp going to Berlin to race against the top marathoners? If he's not even gonna try to be an elite (oly medals aren't enough) he should have stuck with the 10,000 where he was one of the best.
Is Feyisa Lilesa still unable to go home due to government oppression?
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read, and that's one hell of an accomplishment.
Why isn't Rupp going to Berlin to race against the top marathoners?
Probably because an American will get a bigger appearance fee running an American marathon. Plus Berlin probably spent a ton of money securing Kipchoge, Kipsang, and Bekele so they probably couldn't afford any other big name. Also, Rupp is obviously not in 2:03 shape so no point in going out in 61 and dying. Of course, no one else other than the big 3 is in 2:03 shape either so that's not really a knock against Rupp.
If he's not even gonna try to be an elite
Rupp isn't elite? Please provide your definition of an elite runner.
(oly medals aren't enough)
Aren't enough for what? To impress you? I'm sure Rupp is happy with his two Olympic medals.
he should have stuck with the 10,000 where he was one of the best.
He's also one of the best in the world at the marathon. At Rio, he was 3rd in the marathon but only 5th in the 10K, so the marathon seems to be his better event.
snow blow wrote:
Bad Wigins wrote:Why isn't Rupp going to Berlin to race against the top marathoners? If he's not even gonna try to be an elite (oly medals aren't enough) he should have stuck with the 10,000 where he was one of the best.
Is Feyisa Lilesa still unable to go home due to government oppression?
This is one of the stupidest posts I've ever read, and that's one hell of an accomplishment.
Why isn't Rupp going to Berlin to race against the top marathoners?
Probably because an American will get a bigger appearance fee running an American marathon. Plus Berlin probably spent a ton of money securing Kipchoge, Kipsang, and Bekele so they probably couldn't afford any other big name. Also, Rupp is obviously not in 2:03 shape so no point in going out in 61 and dying. Of course, no one else other than the big 3 is in 2:03 shape either so that's not really a knock against Rupp.
If he's not even gonna try to be an elite
Rupp isn't elite? Please provide your definition of an elite runner.
(oly medals aren't enough)
Aren't enough for what? To impress you? I'm sure Rupp is happy with his two Olympic medals.
he should have stuck with the 10,000 where he was one of the best.
He's also one of the best in the world at the marathon. At Rio, he was 3rd in the marathon but only 5th in the 10K, so the marathon seems to be his better event.
No. Rupp is not an elite marathoner, because he is basically a 2:09-2:10( hasn't run anything lower) guy, and he has never won a marathon. So no he is not elite, an elite marathoner would be someone who is at least 2:07, and who has at least one marathon victory. Also, he is not one of the best in the world at the marathon, winning an olympic bronze does not make him one of the best.
He isn't even the current fastest american marathoner. Nathan is, being that he ran 2:07.
Let Rupp really accomplish something before you start putting him in with the Kenyans...
scorpion_runner wrote:
an elite marathoner would be someone who is at least 2:07, and who has at least one marathon victory. Also, he is not one of the best in the world at the marathon, winning an olympic bronze does not make him one of the best.
I know this is trolling, but if you are even the slightest bit serious, holy cow do you have tough standards for being elite.
So in your mind, Meb is not elite either? (does not meet the 2:07 qualification)
Utah Girl Chronicles wrote:
rojo wrote:The hatred for the lack of rabbits drives me nuts..
Says the guy whose brother paced Paula Radcliffe at ... the Chicago Marathon!
I don't hate rabbits. I guess you aren't aware of the fact that I paced Catherine ndereba (a better term might be I got dropped at mile 16) the year before in Chicago.
As for my first piece on Rupp, it was 100% accurate and a good piece of journalism. The title was a little click-baity but titles are the editor's job.
To the idiot's who don't think Rupp is an elite marathoner, get real.
He's finished 2nd in Boston and 3rd in the Olympics. The only question is whether he's simply an elite championship style marathoner or if he can run fast.
you need to realize something rojo, the olympics is watered down and you know it. the 10k is now watered down cause all the kenyans and ethiopians that can run fast 10k's have moved to the marathon.
then the olympics only allows you to send 3 per country....how many kenyans would have beaten ruppy poop if kenya could have sent say 15, how many ethiopians would have beaten ruppy if they got to send 15? then you have to consider that placing in london or berlin is a big pay day compared to running the olympics so that also is a cause to water it down...also since its usually slower that doesnt help the cause, why? well rojo i would figure a self proclaimed genius you would have figured this out.
no name ethio/kenyan runs fast time at dubai, this allows them to get invited to berlin/london etc and get large appearance fees.
what do you think gets you a berlin invite more? a 2:09:59 bronze medal, or a 2:04:35 2 place at dubai? or sh*t even a 2:06 dubai i bet has more pull than ruppy poops slow "tactical" affairs.
rupp can and only will be considered elite when he scores a top three in a BIG time marathon. if he was in berlin this weekend really blojo, how high do you think he would place? my guess is not top 10...
oh and one last thing that might hurt....
you worship every annoying bullsh*t word that comes out of Retardo Canova's mouth, and i am pretty sure he claimed for one EPO doesnt work lol, only sub elites take EPO, thus claiming olympic winner Jemima Sumgong was sub elite, and saying 2:06+ runners where sub elite.
Retardo is saying olympic marathons are watered down and thus sub elites can win/place, and 2:06 and slower is sub elite. so your God, Retardo says Ruppy Poop is not elite.
mindweak wrote:
you need to realize something rojo, the olympics is watered down and you know it. the 10k is now watered down cause all the kenyans and ethiopians that can run fast 10k's have moved to the marathon.
then the olympics only allows you to send 3 per country....how many kenyans would have beaten ruppy poop if kenya could have sent say 15, how many ethiopians would have beaten ruppy if they got to send 15? then you have to consider that placing in london or berlin is a big pay day compared to running the olympics so that also is a cause to water it down...also since its usually slower that doesnt help the cause, why? well rojo i would figure a self proclaimed genius you would have figured this out.
no name ethio/kenyan runs fast time at dubai, this allows them to get invited to berlin/london etc and get large appearance fees.
what do you think gets you a berlin invite more? a 2:09:59 bronze medal, or a 2:04:35 2 place at dubai? or sh*t even a 2:06 dubai i bet has more pull than ruppy poops slow "tactical" affairs.
rupp can and only will be considered elite when he scores a top three in a BIG time marathon. if he was in berlin this weekend really blojo, how high do you think he would place? my guess is not top 10...
oh and one last thing that might hurt....
you worship every annoying bullsh*t word that comes out of Retardo Canova's mouth, and i am pretty sure he claimed for one EPO doesnt work lol, only sub elites take EPO, thus claiming olympic winner Jemima Sumgong was sub elite, and saying 2:06+ runners where sub elite.
Retardo is saying olympic marathons are watered down and thus sub elites can win/place, and 2:06 and slower is sub elite. so your God, Retardo says Ruppy Poop is not elite.
OK then why could only 1 Kenyan and 0 Ethiopians beat Rupp at Boston?
does that list of the top ten show you anything? well for me it shows me that you are an idiot. the other thing it shows me is this.....NO KENYANS or ETHIOPIANS showed up, save one, and ruppy poop couldnt beat him.
show me of all the kenyans and ethiopians that entered what their PR's were and you will see they were scrubs, i mean 6 americans in the top 10....yeah WATERED DOWN
at least chicago isnt going all soft and ruppy poop certified, and got a handful of fast runners, sorry fan boys ruppy poop will show again he is 2:09 type, and the excuses will pour out like cheap beer
Lemi Berhanu Halye - 2:04:33 PR. Won Boston the year before. He dropped out. Oh yeah, and Rupp beat him at the Olympics too.
Wilson Chebet - 2:05:27 PR. Finished 5th. Has been on the podium a few times before.
Yemane Tsegay - 2:04:48 PR. Finished 12th. Has been on the podium a few times before.
Just admit that Rupp beat some fast guys.
snow blow wrote:
Lemi Berhanu Halye - 2:04:33 PR. Won Boston the year before. He dropped out. Oh yeah, and Rupp beat him at the Olympics too.
Wilson Chebet - 2:05:27 PR. Finished 5th. Has been on the podium a few times before.
Yemane Tsegay - 2:04:48 PR. Finished 12th. Has been on the podium a few times before.
Just admit that Rupp beat some fast guys.
Mindweak OWNED. We've seen it a million times - these East Africans drop out time after time after time, unless it's a time trial in perfect weather.....
I will actually make a case for Chicago as the most interesting marathon field of 2017.
Much better than its last editions.
Berlin is very exciting with the three big guy, plus it will be interesting to see if Makau can still make some damage and exciting to check the Japanese runner on a possibly super fast half. But that's it.
Chicago looks very exciting for more reasons.
* You have both the Marathon and Half Marathon WR holders running what's arguably a "last attempt" to prove themselves - what kind of shapes are they in?
* You have a very interesting & accomplished defending champion which has been reported to be in great shape.
* Equally interesting and always an attraction is Feyisa Lilesa, who's been very consistent recently and is certainly a strong contender for winning.
* Galen Rupp seems to be in solid shape and will most probably setting his new PR.
* You have Stanley Biwott who's also enigmatic, the guy has been one of the best marathoners in the last few years but is struggling in 2017. Will this be his redemption or will he prove his decline?
* Best American field by far even considering Rupp another category. Particularly interested in Derrick's debut, best of luck to him.
* Some interesting "rising stars" contenders.
It is hard to match Berlin because of the three big guys, and it is also hard to believe that the Chicago race will turn to be as good as it is on paper. But it has a lot of potential in there, and if at least one or two guys in this field can deliver a performance on pair with their ceilings, then this should be a great race.
Yeah, might be hot, not Rupp-certified, whatever. Chicago will be won in low 2:06, Rupp a few minutes back, maybe mid-2:09. IF HE EVEN FINISHES.
And the Ruppsters will say how he's improving every time. Just think of it, Rupp might go mid 2:09 and be competitive. If it was 1967.
rojo wrote:
I don't hate rabbits. I guess you aren't aware of the fact that I paced Catherine ndereba (a better term might be I got dropped at mile 16) the year before in Chicago.
I'm glad you backed off on that a bit. When the brojos admit pacing world record holders and world champions in Chicago are a prime piece of their running resume (as well as benefitting financially), it's hypocritical to have disdain for people who enjoy watching world-class rabbited races. The sport deserves to be more than your hallowed perspective. I've dropped out of Chicago a time or two. Toshihiko Seko actually dropped me at the 0.05 mile mark of the 1986 race. What? You're not aware of that?
As for my first piece on Rupp, it was 100% accurate and a good piece of journalism. The title was a little click-baity but titles are the editor's job.
That was a fine piece of journalism. The Honolulu Marathon often is won in the 2:09 to 2:12 range. That's what Chicago is rapidly becoming. Some people like deliberate chess matches and others like balls-to-the-wall racing right from the gun. Chicago is a chess game. The PR's of the elites mean nothing because no one will run anywhere near them on Sunday.
rojo wrote:
Utah Girl Chronicles wrote:JV cross-country races are competitive. Chicago is rapidly becoming a JV marathon. I want to see Rupp in a marathon that goes out in 62 minutes. Winning a race that has 5 guys jogging for 23 miles and running 14:00 for the last three miles is what Rupp will do. That's a waste of my Sunday morning.
The hatred for the lack of rabbits drives me nuts.
Personally, I always loved watching Boston when I was in college as being unrabbited it was the only race where I saw Americans stay with the lead pack.
A marathon with the Olympic silver and bronze medallists, the former WR holder, the half marathon WR holder, a world champion and others is not a JV marathon.
I find it rather depressing that so many people prefer races with rabbits. I can't stand them. Although I have said for decades that I consider the marathon to be the most interesting and exciting sports event, I generally won't even bother to watch a race in which the runners who are leading most of the time aren't actually competing in the race and aren't even planning to finish it, but rather are simply participants in a scheme to produce faster times than the actual competitors would produce without assistance.
Of course, the rules of the sport long prohibited rabbits or "pacers," and I think that it's still a good prohibition to have; the biggest problem with the prohibition is enforcing it. But even if rabbits are allowed, I don't know why a sophisticated observer would be more interested in watching a paced time trial rather than a real race without pacing or drafting assistance provided by noncompetitors.
I'm pleased that Chicago, Boston, and NYC are now all in line with the Olympic and world championship marathons regarding the use of pacers. They are unadulterated races. The big European marathons have made a different choice, perhaps beginning with the Rotterdam marathon in the mid-80s, with London and later Berlin ratcheting up the stakes in a battle to provide the most carefully engineered conditions for producing fast times.
I understand the desire to see how fast a human can run various distances under ideal laboratory conditions. But I have little interest in the competition to engineer the fastest conditions, and only mild interest in the results. And it's galling to see commentators comparing times in engineered and assisted time trials with performances in unassisted races. Many people, on this site and elsewhere, don't seem to understand how different the two types of events are.
