The full USADA report on Alberto Salazar has been leaked - Here it is

where is there 100% proof that Ritzenhein cheated? what did he take that enhanced his performance while training and racing?

cheaterz76 wrote:

Doesn't this just piss you off?

All of them are cheaters. I'm disappointed in Julian, Begay, Erdman and Ritz.

Very sad.

So Jenkins and Hassay will just stay with NOP?

jewbacca wrote:

wrong there wrote:

cooperated? She lied and said she had never seen Dr. Brown. Then later, after USADA had evidence of her lying, admitted that she had seen him. She lied to investigators.

So they say. I'm reading a lot of spin and innuendo here, so I'm inclined to doubt USADA at this point.

I can't believe I'm saying that.

e.g. Do they have a recording or transcript of the telephonic interview they reference so many times?

Also, how many times did Welling visit Brown? Was it a one-off? If so, it's believable that she wouldn't remember the name if asked in an interview.

Interviewer: When was the last time you saw Dr. Brown?

Welling: Who?

USADA: Aha! She's lying!!!!

and maybe all this is why rupp moved to the marathon. on all the secret juice he runs an indoor 3:50 solo, and some fast times in the 10k...all this starts to come down and salazar takes him off the juice and makes him move up to the marathon. he basically runs 2:10....whats the equivalent for 10k? 5K?

i would conclude rupp has been clean the last 18 months or so, and will never again regain his "form" unless Nike comes in swinging hard for NOP.

only problem then if nike wins this, is that nike full on officially owns USA track and field with a death grip, and unless you can get in on the nike "team" you will never amount to anything. you run fast and refuse to run for nike, you will be exposed as a cheat regardless if you are dirty or not. then pretty much nike will be more brutal the the AU was in Pre's days.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I've skipped ahead to the discussion of infusion limits with L-carnitine (~p. 180-215).

Basically said that from all the records they believe Dr. Brown infused more than 50ml into Ritzenheim (and Rupp, but this section doesn't focus on him) but they can't really prove it.

Then, in the conclusions to that section, they basically state they can't prove it, only infer it...

Anyway, I'll have to put off reading the rest of it until later.

One new thing I learned is that Dr. Brown was or is a member of USATF, I did not know that before.

Mostly this makes me feel bad and worried about the health of Ritzenhein and Erdmann, and I guess by extension all the other NOP athletes. The emails are very interesting.Both Nike and Usada don't like Magness.Also Flotrack def gonna be blacklisted by Nike.Alberto sounds unhinged. Hey Doc, I just googled how much iron should be injected intravenously, we're giving that to Kara now, that's cool right? Oh, her workout was a little slow, we just gotta top of the cytomel levels by another 10 micrograms, don't worry I googled it. What a clown.Page labeled 256/269:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I've skipped ahead to the discussion of infusion limits with L-carnitine (~p. 180-215).

Basically said that from all the records they believe Dr. Brown infused more than 50ml into Ritzenheim (and Rupp, but this section doesn't focus on him) but they can't really prove it.

It's amazing that after months of investigation and 269 pages of USADA "reporting" we're still talking about Vitamin D and L-carnitine.

We wonder how many letsrunners are going to go out to CVS and buy up Vitamin D tonight.Solinsky makes an appearance

So does Mark Wetmore!!!

"The person you are trying to reach is not accepting calls at this time".

Touche Alberto!

reading this jawn wrote:

Alberto sounds unhinged. Hey Doc, I just googled how much iron should be injected intravenously, we're giving that to Kara now, that's cool right? Oh, her workout was a little slow, we just gotta top of the cytomel levels by another 10 micrograms, don't worry I googled it. What a clown.

Or where he sees a BBC report about sunbathing increasing libido and immediately has world-class runners take vitamin D to boost testosterone.

One overall impression is that, if he is cheating, it's for a lot of things that are of unproven efficacy. It's consistent with his try-anything approach in general--pre-race cryosauna, equestrian harness to improve form, the altitude simulator he used to wear on his back as a college runner.

The USADA report tries to make something of the urgency and frequency of his emails to athletes. Everyone knows someone like this, who asks you to do something and then starts bugging you an hour later whether you've done it.

I have not read this yet. As I understand it, this document is meant to be persuasive and not adjucative - it's written in the worst light by a litigant seeking a court to rule in its favor.

It looks like it is about Vitamin D and L-Carnatine. And contested claims of extra cytomel to reduce weight. I assume there is nothing about the testosterone test and call to USADA. if I step back and look at this, it's not great but could be a lot worse.

[quote]wrong there wrote:

Not quite, Centro and Rowbury are stated as lawyered up and refusing to hand over medical records. Why would a clean athlete do that?[quote]

Maybe they don't trust USADA to keep their records confidential?

There are lots of other good reasons for clean runners not to talk to the USADA. IUt's not clear how cooperating will help them. It can be very hard for clean athletes to prove that they are clean, especially if the USADA investigators think they are dirty. USADA investigators are used to dealing with cheaters. It's understandable that they might start thinking that everyone is cheating. Once they've decided that, it's hard to get them to change their mind.

jewbacca wrote:

Mr. Obvious wrote:

I've skipped ahead to the discussion of infusion limits with L-carnitine (~p. 180-215).

Basically said that from all the records they believe Dr. Brown infused more than 50ml into Ritzenheim (and Rupp, but this section doesn't focus on him) but they can't really prove it.

It's amazing that after months of investigation and 269 pages of USADA "reporting" we're still talking about Vitamin D and L-carnitine.

I haven't gotten to the testosterone section yet (not reading it in order)

but so far my summation is:

The report alleges violation of the standard of care by Dr. Brown. This includes coordinating care with Salazar, salazar giving out pills, giving injections and thyroid medication for performance (not medical) reasons, performing experimentation, lack of proper record keeping etc, etc. etc.

The only doping violation alleged or inferred is the infusion of more than 50ml of fluid in a 6 hour period.

A whole lot of this may be unseemly (e.g. I don't really like the thyroid use) but it is not an antidoping violation.

From what I've read so far, which is not different from after reading the summaries, is that at best USADA may be able to prove some sort of doping violation against:

Steve Magness (although they express some doubt about whether he is subject to the rules)

If Magness is subject to the rules they could also allege antidoping violations for prohibited methods for:

Dr. Brown

Alberto Salazar

They may be able to allege some things about some of the other athletes (ritz, Begay, Rupp) but it is not at all clear to me that they would be able to meet any sort of comfortable satisfaction standard for any of them.

Since the report focuses so heavily on Dr. Brown, I again wonder if Ken Goe knows for sure that Texas Medical Board closed their investigation?

It's appropriate to work with a lawyer when you are being investigated even when you have done nothing wrong. That is a meaningless criticism.

Who in the world are alvina Begay and dawn grunnagle? They sound like made up names from a dr Seuss book.

Grunnagle:

https://sportsdaydfw.imgix.net/1487883532-Dawn-Grunnagle-at-the-2016-U.S.-Olympic-Marathon-Trials.jpg

Ritz felt like Salazar was having him be on the thyroid for performance, particularly before the 2012 Trials, which contradicts how Salazar said in his Open Letter after the ProPublica report where Salazar wrote, "Galen takes his thyroid medication so that his body can function normally – not for any competitive advantage."

Does anyone see through this? wrote:

Who in the world are alvina Begay and dawn grunnagle? They sound like made up names from a dr Seuss book.

The parts about Alvina Begay were really interesting, particularly about her concerns about insulin spiking and her native heritage. I always though Begay was a Pima name, but google shows she is a Navajo. She also has a degree in nutrition and it looks like she might work with some sort of native health services.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Ritz felt like Salazar was having him be on the thyroid for performance, particularly before the 2012 Trials, which contradicts how Salazar said in his Open Letter after the ProPublica report where Salazar wrote, "Galen takes his thyroid medication so that his body can function normally – not for any competitive advantage."

1. Thyroid isn't bannned, so it is irrelevant to any sort of doping violation.

2. Ritz is a grown man, nobody was forcing medication down his throat.

3. He could have sought any sort of second opinion that he wanted.

Rojo's ridiculously narrow-minded/witchhunting comment was:

Most of the group isn't cooperating fully in the investigation. If you've got nothing to hide, why not let them have full access?

In response, Mr. Obvious wrote a measured response:

1. They are under no obligation at all to do that

2. Maybe they don't want their personal medical information being splashed all over the internet

USADA and WADA haven't exactly been known for keeping these kinds of medical documents secure...

Hey, stupid Rojo, would you, a clean runner, want your medical records made public? You know, records of your colonoscopies for Irritable Bowel Syndrome, and the record of your one visit to the doc after you found what you thought was a lump on your right gonad -- which turned out to be nothing? PROBABLY NOT!

[Those are theoreticals in the above example...wouldn't want to cause the man embarrassment over that which I couldn't possibly know - BECAUSE HIS MEDICAL HISTORY IS CONSIDERED PERSONAL AND PRIVATE IN OUR LEGAL SYSTEM, FOR A GOOD REASON.]

I'm clean, but damned if I'd want my medical records put out there just because some others with whom I've been linked are suspects in an ongoing investigation. Damned if I'd want my medical records released to the public for ANY reason!