I'm not watching the Women's 5000 meter final. This is ridiculous

Well I agree that Ayana looks suspicious. A 29:17 10k runner looking relaxed while running 15:04? Something doesn't add up

Other obvious dopers:

1. Flanagan (too old to be running that fast).

2. Murphy (way too rapid improvement).

3. Jager (too much energy at the end).

4. Centrowitz (too easy).

5. Huddle (massive PR).

6. Simpson (PR in 800 at end of 1500).

7. Meb (too old to be running that fast).

8. Walter George--4:10 mile in 1886.

9. Wejo (dramatic improvement for someone with confessed mediocre talent).

10. Kid in my eighth grade class who ran a 5:20 mile on field day without breaking a sweat.

11. Abebe Bikilia--running that fast with no shoes!

12. Me--I typed this way too fast to be believable.

Good. Don't watch it. Know one cares. No thanks for sharing it with us. Yes, you are a maggot. She's totally clean.

Her 10k time is almost exactly 3 minutes slower than the men's 10k record. Interestingly Paula's Marathon record is just over 12 minutes slower than the the men's record. (4x10k plus a bit). The three minutes per 10k differential holds up also for the half marathon. So what can she run for 5k? It should be roughly 90 seconds slower than the men's 5k record. 12:36 plus 90 seconds is 14:06. That seems about right....

kanny wrote:

She was the World Junior Record holder in the steeple (set 6 years ago) at 18 yrs old. She ran 14:25 3 years ago. It's not like she came out of nowhere.

Clayton Murphy's progression is much more suspicious. Obvious doping.

I go by numbers wrote:

kanny wrote:

She was the World Junior Record holder in the steeple (set 6 years ago) at 18 yrs old. She ran 14:25 3 years ago. It's not like she came out of nowhere.

Clayton Murphy's progression is much more suspicious. Obvious doping.

Let's get real. If a gun was held to your head and you had to guess if Murphy was doping or not and if you guess wrong you lose your life... If you answer truthfully, you all know you would wager on Murphy being clean. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

He's as clean as a Wottle....

And you have proof of this, unknown to the IAAF etc, that you are not sharing here?

these guys ... wrote:

kiowavt wrote:

We are from a country with a principle of innocent until proven guilty.

Please stop saying this. We have no such principle. (Those of us from the USA anyway).

"Innocent until proven guilty" is reserved for the Criminal Justice System, period. That's it. We don't use it making employment decisions, we don't use it for choosing friends ... we don't even use it for our Civil Justice System.

Why don't we? Because it would be ridiculous to use Innocent Until Proven Guilty broadly and generally. It's certainly ridiculous, to use it with anonymous using on a silly message board.

You are so right. It would be much better to let all the cases be settled here in the hyper-mature forums of LetsRun than at, for instance, the Court of Arbitration for Sport, CAS (hmmm, that's a court, but okay). So we disagree. Completely. Me, I don't want to be stupid, but I also refuse this forum mob mentality for deciding things from afar that affect an athlete's life, akin to a false positive. Maybe it works for something like the Kip Litton "case" but I don't think it's the venue for splattering the lives of East Africans, Americans, or anyone else. See Algonquin's great post on page 3 of these comments for the superb list that shows the folly of mob justice opinions. Let's just suppose, for fun, that Ayana is in fact completely clean, but gets to have none of Beamon's joy in doing something athletically profound. Or suppose it was you. The whole situation is created by cheaters, yes, but it need not be sprayed at anyone performing well.

Just think, simply because you won't watch the 5K, thats all the reason in the world for the planet to nova into the son as you control everything.

Algonquin wrote:

Other obvious dopers:

1. Flanagan (too old to be running that fast).

2. Murphy (way too rapid improvement).

3. Jager (too much energy at the end).

4. Centrowitz (too easy).

5. Huddle (massive PR).

6. Simpson (PR in 800 at end of 1500).

7. Meb (too old to be running that fast).

8. Walter George--4:10 mile in 1886.

9. Wejo (dramatic improvement for someone with confessed mediocre talent).

10. Kid in my eighth grade class who ran a 5:20 mile on field day without breaking a sweat.

11. Abebe Bikilia--running that fast with no shoes!

12. Me--I typed this way too fast to be believable.

BUMP

Rocket2 wrote:

Her 10k time is almost exactly 3 minutes slower than the men's 10k record. Interestingly Paula's Marathon record is just over 12 minutes slower than the the men's record. (4x10k plus a bit). The three minutes per 10k differential holds up also for the half marathon. So what can she run for 5k? It should be roughly 90 seconds slower than the men's 5k record. 12:36 plus 90 seconds is 14:06. That seems about right....

Also BUMP

Yeah - this is pretty brilliant.

electron1661 wrote:

Rocket2 wrote:

Her 10k time is almost exactly 3 minutes slower than the men's 10k record. Interestingly Paula's Marathon record is just over 12 minutes slower than the the men's record. (4x10k plus a bit). The three minutes per 10k differential holds up also for the half marathon. So what can she run for 5k? It should be roughly 90 seconds slower than the men's 5k record. 12:36 plus 90 seconds is 14:06. That seems about right....

Also BUMP

electron1661 wrote:

Algonquin wrote:

Other obvious dopers:

1. Flanagan (too old to be running that fast).

2. Murphy (way too rapid improvement).

3. Jager (too much energy at the end).

4. Centrowitz (too easy).

5. Huddle (massive PR).

6. Simpson (PR in 800 at end of 1500).

7. Meb (too old to be running that fast).

8. Walter George--4:10 mile in 1886.

9. Wejo (dramatic improvement for someone with confessed mediocre talent).

10. Kid in my eighth grade class who ran a 5:20 mile on field day without breaking a sweat.

11. Abebe Bikilia--running that fast with no shoes!

12. Me--I typed this way too fast to be believable.

BUMP

Yes, point well made. Thanks for your cleverness and insightfulness Algonquin!

kanny wrote:

Yeah - this is pretty brilliant.

electron1661 wrote:

Also BUMP

It is not "about right" if all the records are doped. By the way... Bekele's world record is 12:37.35. It is not 12:36.

I prefer to use the old Purdy tables.

In the Purdy Tables:

Ayana's 29:17 10K is equivalent to a 13:59 5k, a 8:04 3K , a 3:43 1500m, and a 2:16:32 marathon.

Paula Radcliffe's 2:15:25 marathon is equivalent to a 3:41.6 1500m, a 7:59.9 3k, a 13:52 5k and a 29:03 10K.

I am sorry Ms. Ayana.

You still suck compared to Paula "Perfectly Pure" Radcliffe.

Ms. Ayana is going to have to work a lot harder for the naturally talented Ethiopian born and training hard at high altitude…to catch the naturally talented BRITISH woman NOT born at high altitude. (I am sorry about that Renato.)

Do you still not understand? Let me explain it for you to make it easy and logical... to believe in total nonsense.

Superhuman Britâ„¢ Paula Radcliffe trained much harder than ANY puny regular humans that suck at running... compared to Ms. Paula "Brit Superhuman" Radcliffe.

Paula can also take more pain than any other human of all time on the entire planet. She is tougher and better than all regular human female runners of all time. Gerard Hartmann said it is true. (This is absolute egregious drivel.)

In conclusion:

1) Ms. Paula Radcliffe is a Brit-Doper-Cheater-Liarâ„¢.

2) Paula said she had trouble "understanding" Ayana's new 10K world record.

3) Paula also did not release any more blood test results (that she said she wanted to release) because... people would not be able to "understand" them.

Please give us a good smile Ms. Paula Radcliffe…of Monte Carlo, Monaco.

(Does Paula pay British taxes like normal and puny Brits?)

Oh well.

all these shout !!! when Michael Flippen won 22 gold medal it is pure talent where as when ayana crush every body it is suspicious DOP performance.

DO NOT FOGET THAT ALMOST THE FIRST FOUR FINISHER SCORE BELOW 30MIN. BARRIER AND THE FIRST 12 RUNNER IS THEIR PB time.

thse means, for those who open their big mouth all the 12 athletes are Dopper. i read most of the comment, i can say only most of them are either moron knew any thing abot athletics or jealousy jealousy jealousy

cote from IAAF PAGE " So if this is not the finished package, how much faster can she go in the future?

“I think that was only 90 percent,” says Pitsiladis. “There’s 30 seconds more there.”

Hermens is in agreement. “Passing all the athletes for the second half of the race, how much can she still gain?” he asks. “Her progression is astonishing.”

Much of that can be put down to Ayana’s lost years or, to put it better terms, the years she spent believing she was a steeplechaser. That was largely her focus up until 2013, when she began to concentrate more on the flat events, lowering her 5000m best to 14:25.84 in Paris.

“I’m not naturally gifted with speed so I concentrated on endurance,” said Ayana. “My plan was to move slowly from 5000m to 10,000m, but I didn’t want to move up too early.”

It seems she waited until just the right time. In the aftermath of her record run, Ayana was typically reserved, a quiet smile crossing her face instead of any delirious celebration.

“They are very quiet, laid back and relaxed people,” says Hermens, when asked about Ayana and her husband. “She’s a sweet, nice girl, which you see in her reactions.”

Given her nature, that’s an attitude she’s likely to maintain in the years to come, regardless of how fast she runs.

Which, if you listen to those close to her, will be exceptionally fast."

@scorpion _runner

i hope you can see how these 13 athletes performe at Rio. according to your retarded judgment all of them are Duper EPO.

POS BIB ATHLETE COUNTRY MARK

1 641 Almaz Ayana ETH ETH 29:17.45 WR

2 946 Vivian Jepkemoi Cheruiyot KEN KEN 29:32.53 NR

3 645 Tirunesh Dibaba ETH ETH 29:42.56 PB

4 953 Alice Aprot Nawowuna KEN KEN 29:53.51 PB

5 956 Betsy Saina KEN KEN 30:07.78 PB

6 1349 Molly Huddle USA USA 30:13.17 AR

7 1257 Yasemin Can TUR TUR 30:26.41 PB

8 642 Gelete Burka ETH ETH 30:26.66 PB

9 1068 Karoline Bjerkeli Grøvdal NOR NOR 31:14.07 PB

10 344 Eloise Wellings AUS AUS 31:14.94 PB

11 1350 Emily Infeld USA USA 31:26.94 PB

12 1227 Sarah Lahti SWE SWE 31:28.43 NR

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