prefan wrote:Ledecky's work ethic is well-documented in the swimming world. She out-works everyone, including some male swimmers with household names.
Are you trying to do a parody of what everyone said about Lance?
prefan wrote:Ledecky's work ethic is well-documented in the swimming world. She out-works everyone, including some male swimmers with household names.
Are you trying to do a parody of what everyone said about Lance?
All of these female swimmers look odd. Lilly King looks like she has an Adam's apple.
KL is clean as a whistle wrote:
I have spent some time with her family at swim meets. I also have family near them in Bethesda. I have sat down with her for a bit. I know her pool intimately, as well as the local community.
The entire family is very "establishment", but not "establishment leaders". While there are some nutjob "establishment leaders" who do whatever it takes to get to the top and stay there, she and the rest of her family seem to me to be very earnest people, very institutional, enjoying their mid-level establishment life, and very conservative, not wanton risk-takers.
Yes they/she are connected to money, and there is no financial incentive to dope. She drives an older Volvo, very typical of a certain class in Bethesda.
I'm not saying that I particularly like that type of person or family--in fact, I prefer more lively, risk-taking, edgier, more unpredictable and unconventional people--but I do respect them. They are salt of the earth, even though they are no doubt sucking the public teat, as is ultimately EVERYBODY living in the capitol area.
There is absolutely zero possibility of her doping. There would be absolutely nothing for anybody involved, except for possibly a coach, to gain. Her parents narcissistic? You have no idea how ridiculous, even hilarious, that is. They are so low-key that they are almost bland, especially her dad--but although unassuming, he's actually pretty funny in person. Her mom, you can feel the athletic talent in her, but I certainly wouldn't call her even "exciting".
One reason for KL's success in the distance events is that they have not had the same intensity of interest as have the shorter races. The records were certainly relatively "weak", but KL has seen to that. I'm talking the 800 and especially the 1500, which not even swimmers want to swim.
The 400 was tougher, but is still a sort of distance swim, and therefore still relatively weak. 200 is middle distance, and is tougher, with middle distance pain. Because it's no longer distance the records are better, and will be harder for KL to get. In fact even the 2016 gold will be much harder for her to get, and is by no means a lock. By the time you get to the 100, she is in the weeds historically; and she is nothing in the 50. The 100 and 50 records are the strongest.
Although she is a workout monster, there have been other swimmers, both male and female, who have also been workout monsters. Her career might be best summed-up in the words of Thornton Mellon, "If you want to look thin, hang around fat people."
She is absolutely clean, unless having been unknowingly doped by someone such as her coach, or a cook at a restaurant she frequents. I actually would bet the farm on it.
And by absolutely clean, I mean totally clean, squeaky clean. Not even a trace of anything funny including anything found in so-called "energy drinks" or common supplements.
KL is beyond all suspicion. She is so good that she's boring, unless you are watching her in a tight race, fighting for the win.
If you are suspicious of a successful swimmer doping, look to Hosszu. And that's not nationalism speaking--I am not American, but Hungarian.
Your post days she is a nice person and that you are capable of judging ped use based on your personal judgment.
Pool intimacy is an odd use of language especially with that club having its founder in jail for improper intimacy with athletes.
So to sum up your post she is beyond suspicion and impossible to be on PEDs but we should look closely at Hosszu.
I think ledecky is clean but appreciate the testing is done to all and fairly as I think you don't know whether your hero is on something unless you test: flojo, lance, bonds, palmeiro, Gatlin, Marion j.
Hosszu suspicion is related to her times. If it is appropriate then every outlier time can be considered not suspected but considered.
Coach Cookie wrote:
She's our Caster Semenya. She'll probably be transgender later in life.
Nope. Definitely a girl. Look how she throws a baseball:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d2/6c/f5/d26cf560d32b6db41f62c635591ba567.jpgIn fact, forget all of these invasive genetic tests. Just have every athlete throw a baseball and we can pretty clearly tell if they are male or female. It's probably a more accurate test than genital inspection.
Older white women with money may be rich, but they look like crap because by the time they are mid-30s, they look 50 and age much faster than Latina and black women.
White women have it all except for good looks by the time they're 34
Lily King is just pissed that Efimova is orders of magnitude hotter than her...
markschultz25 wrote:
All of these female swimmers look odd. Lilly King looks like she has an Adam's apple.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1qptka9vw8
K. Baker just won a silver and she's a cutie.
Hosszu's suspicion is not so much because of her times, but because of the drastic change in her times- she didn't perform that great in London, then asked her (now) husband Shane Tusup, who is a somewhat shady or possibly abusive guy, to start coaching her. She then pretty quickly saw significant improvements to the point that she beat the 400 IM world record, which was held by the confirmed doper Ye Shiwen, by a whole two seconds.
This is pretty opposite of Ledecky, who has been crushing and consistently improving for many years.
So I don't think its the fact that Ledecky and Hosszu have times that are outliers that make them open to suspicion or consideration, but rather we should look at their progressions and ask if they look iffy. With that in mind, I believe KL is clean, and simply a freak of nature
lol now that's funny.
To the poster above, I didn't suggest that there was any strong evidence regarding Hosszu, I just suggested that she would be a better place to look for doping than KL.
And I'm all about character. When you become a good judge of it, you can know everything about someone. It is one of the few favorable qualities of growing old.
I would never have made this assessment without some significant personal face-time.
Swimming is funny. Because the medium plays a critical role, it has the quality of amplifying both talent, and the lack of it. Look at Ervin, he has a shot at a 50FR medal. There really is a natural talent for both streamlining, and for "feel for the water".
Like I said there have been others who have worked as hard as KL. Her success is due to, once again, hard work + talent + relatively weaker events + being in her prime, not just her work ethic. Yes she had a very good 100FR relay split.
Tribe wrote:
Trump wrote:Now track and I have competed on the World Class level 2 Olys 2 Worlds and I know and I am 100% sure that 100% of the top 20 in every running event is taking. Jumps not sure.
You have competed in 2 olympics and 2 worlds? With that level of talent surely you must have been very close to top 20 at some point yourself. Were you using or are you just the world's best but honest enough not to cheat?
I was never close to being ranked inthe top20 even top 50 more like 200. I ran a 10.3 twice and 10.4 and 10.5 mostly. That is nothing impressive and even if I used I would not have won probably 10.1 at best. Today its obvious that they guys use year round. Beating the test is easy with designer drugs Read the story in vice sports. Many many people know this. i
prefan wrote:
Ledecky's work ethic is well-documented in the swimming world. She out-works everyone, including some male swimmers with household names. Her club has a challenge finding male swimmers to train with her because she tears them apart in practice and it messes with their confidence. Ledecky has to be exceptional physically to do what she does without drugs but I believe she is clean - her exceptionalism lies even more in her relentless and dedicated pursuit of being the best female swimmer ever. People who work that hard don't want to mess it up by using drugs, it's the lazy ones who want short-cuts that use PEDs. I would bet a large sum, but not my life, that Ledecky is clean.
I'll take that bet. They said similar things about Lance, Marion. Everyone works hard. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Well yes wrote:
[quote]truth seeker joe wrote:
How is it possible that clean American, British, and Australian athletes are able to beat doped up druggies who are pumping massive amounts of the top grade PEDS in their system?
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Natural talent beats out a less talented athlete who is doping.
Says Lance Armstrong.
Dr. Runner wrote:
Clean until proven guilty.
You guys are all sick. You accuse athletes based on appearance and/or performance please show scientific proof that your methods are accurate.
They aren't so shut the F up
Its because of the problems with this and many other sports. THe US gone burned with Lance, marion, Barry etc. They are fed up with the problem and the guys in charge are not fixing it. Then these athlete go on TV and say all the right things.
There was not scientific proof about Lance and Marion, They actually never tested positive. The test are a joke . You can think they are innocent, most edcuated athletes know better.
KL is clean as a whistle wrote:
I have spent some time with her family at swim meets. I also have family near them in Bethesda. I have sat down with her for a bit. I know her pool intimately, as well as the local community.
The entire family is very "establishment", but not "establishment leaders". While there are some nutjob "establishment leaders" who do whatever it takes to get to the top and stay there, she and the rest of her family seem to me to be very earnest people, very institutional, enjoying their mid-level establishment life, and very conservative, not wanton risk-takers.
Yes they/she are connected to money, and there is no financial incentive to dope. She drives an older Volvo, very typical of a certain class in Bethesda.
I'm not saying that I particularly like that type of person or family--in fact, I prefer more lively, risk-taking, edgier, more unpredictable and unconventional people--but I do respect them. They are salt of the earth, even though they are no doubt sucking the public teat, as is ultimately EVERYBODY living in the capitol area.
There is absolutely zero possibility of her doping. There would be absolutely nothing for anybody involved, except for possibly a coach, to gain. Her parents narcissistic? You have no idea how ridiculous, even hilarious, that is. They are so low-key that they are almost bland, especially her dad--but although unassuming, he's actually pretty funny in person. Her mom, you can feel the athletic talent in her, but I certainly wouldn't call her even "exciting".
One reason for KL's success in the distance events is that they have not had the same intensity of interest as have the shorter races. The records were certainly relatively "weak", but KL has seen to that. I'm talking the 800 and especially the 1500, which not even swimmers want to swim.
The 400 was tougher, but is still a sort of distance swim, and therefore still relatively weak. 200 is middle distance, and is tougher, with middle distance pain. Because it's no longer distance the records are better, and will be harder for KL to get. In fact even the 2016 gold will be much harder for her to get, and is by no means a lock. By the time you get to the 100, she is in the weeds historically; and she is nothing in the 50. The 100 and 50 records are the strongest.
Although she is a workout monster, there have been other swimmers, both male and female, who have also been workout monsters. Her career might be best summed-up in the words of Thornton Mellon, "If you want to look thin, hang around fat people."
She is absolutely clean, unless having been unknowingly doped by someone such as her coach, or a cook at a restaurant she frequents. I actually would bet the farm on it.
And by absolutely clean, I mean totally clean, squeaky clean. Not even a trace of anything funny including anything found in so-called "energy drinks" or common supplements.
KL is beyond all suspicion. She is so good that she's boring, unless you are watching her in a tight race, fighting for the win.
If you are suspicious of a successful swimmer doping, look to Hosszu. And that's not nationalism speaking--I am not American, but Hungarian.
I'll take that bet. I get a new farm. you are Naive. But that's cool.
laughing wrote:
There are so many pathetic people on this board. They refuse to believe that Ledecky can be born with an exceptional amount of talent, and instead insist that she is dirty. They also insist on thinking that drug advantage always outweighs talent advantage.
Very, very pathetic and ridiculous that so many of you believe such absolutes.
Turning in world-record performances is NOT evidence of doping.
Just like being a millionaire is NOT evidence of thievery.
And "getting some" is NOT evidence of rape.
And getting good grades is NOT evidence of favoritism.
And so on.
Until the swimmer tests positive or is filmed doping, you guys have nothing to talk about. Get over it.
Thanks Lance Armstrong
I actually think she has some biomechanical shoulder advantage.
When you watch her pull in her stroke, she can have her arm completely straight and pull at 90 degrees which gives her a ton of power. All swimmers do this to some degree but her stroke is pretty perfect.
moanswers wrote:
I actually think she has some biomechanical shoulder advantage.
When you watch her pull in her stroke, she can have her arm completely straight and pull at 90 degrees which gives her a ton of power. All swimmers do this to some degree but her stroke is pretty perfect.
Many elite swimmers have some kind of bio-mechanical advantage, think Mark Spitz with his double jointed knees, or Ian Thorpe perhaps with his size 16 feet. In the case of Ledecky, she combines a huge work/workout ethic, minimal to no missed workouts, great coaching, many years as a developing youngster in the sport and perfect technique (so says Rowdy Gaines but I concur) as well as no fear. USA swimming, which isn't a perfect organization does one thing right, they take a hard line on doping with their coaches as well as their member clubs. Do I think she's clean? No question.
Have you guys heard of something called overtraining?
Everyone who has coached at high school knows there are less talented people who win by working harder AT THAT LEVEL, but at the top (Olympic/professional) level everyone works as hard as they can, taking advantage of every "edge" (I mean clean edge here) they can. You can take advantage of modern scientific knowledge to train more efficiently--outsmarting the competition if you can't outwork them--but there is an upper limit to how hard you can train, and that's when overtraining disease sets in.
The only way to train harder than this upper limit is with drugs. I have not seen evidence presented that Ledecky is training more technical than the competition (like Salazar if you discount the obvious drugs).
Lilly king meet jessica hardy
Nonsense wrote:
Lilly king meet jessica hardy
Speaking of Jessica Hardy... her coach also coaches Efimova and Morozov... right here in the good ol' US of A.
