Steve, once you said your wheel was short, you lost all respectability on this topic. XC is XC. It's about place, not time. Why don't you ask Ryan Hill about his time?
Steve, once you said your wheel was short, you lost all respectability on this topic. XC is XC. It's about place, not time. Why don't you ask Ryan Hill about his time?
You did. But with respect I was replying to several posters.
This article is extremely disappointing from LetsRun. As a long time fan, I have generally been a huge supporter of this site but am downright MAD about 2 recent things.
1. This post... Employee 1.1 was there at the largest Club XC races ever with amazing races in all 4 events, and this is the editorial we get? Instead of using this site as a platform to talk about the purity of the atmosphere and the historic nature of the event from both size and competitive vantage points, we get this drivel about the length of the course when the length is irrelevant. It's about the racing and that's what is so magical about XC. I was there. My Garmin recorded 6.22 but I don't give a f**k.
2. The coverage of the recent doping scandals.... I don't understand how or why you have recently dodged the tough questions on doping with both the recent IAAF revelations and the Kenyan/Jeptoo events. Here we have ridiculous times being produced by a population of athletes managed and coached largely by the Italians (with all of the same red flags we have seen in cycling) and we haven't been asking the tough pointed questions about what's going on? Why LetsRun? Why haven't you asked the tough questions of Canova and all the others. The s**t from Kenya smells SO bad and you seem to be looking the other way under the guise of "journalistic integrity." That's not the Brojos I have come to love.
Please, please, get it together.
I think your investigative skills need some work, expected more from a Cornell Grad!
and i like that attending the technical meeting gives you "insider info"
also, i wheel measured your marathon course from the fall - twice. it was short too, bro -sorry!
now get out there and do some more 400 repeats in the snow!
chill out!
I think it's cool that a guy felt interested enough about the length of the course to go out and wheel it on his own. It was an issue in the air - the website said 10.2k, then signs at the start said 10.0k, gps seems to say it was 9.9k...threads were started on the subject...I'm all for lrc to go do things like this.
yes, distance runners care about accurate course lengths. They still debate the length of Mt Sac, for pre's sake even though it is xc, hilly and has historical status.
the lrc guy knows it's xc and length doesn't matter - he saw some threads about course length and he, as an employee of an important running web site, went out and did something to add to the conversation.
What is wrong with that?
as for lrc avoiding the drug issues - that is not fair either - this place is aggressive on drug cheats - they are the opposite of putting their heads in the sand. People complain about the 'drug cheat' epithet they throw on people like mary decker. everyone can do more or different, but lrc is not a head in the sander.
anyway. As you were.
The women ran the same 6k course that Paul Short & Lehigh have been using for a while. The men's was definitely changed from the advertised 10.2k to "10k." Time's I've seen from runners I know (yes, yes, anecdotal) are in line with their road 10k PRs. 34:50 road to 35:30 on that course, etc. I'm not sure why the local organizing committee has not put out a statement addressing this. They certainly had to measure it at some point! But I agree that it is disappointing to see LRC cover the meet by focusing on the course discrepancy, and then admit errors in their measurement and follow-up.
I never understand why Americans care about xc tmes. Nobody else does
So what is the correct process to measure a USATF Club National Course?
How close to the inside turns do you measure? What is the actual language here? For these cross country courses do they ask that you add distance like is expected on road race measurements for errors with the wheel/bike...I believe it's called the short course calculation factor?
For those that have a wheel and want to test it's accuracy, and to see the difference between walking and running with a wheel try this: Find a short cut grassy field or golf course fairway and walk a few straightaways and run a few straightaways when there is some dew on the grass. I'm guessing you will find a much straighter line while running than when walking. With minimal downward pressure on the handle there should be little bouncing of the wheel.
Interesting subject!
Still confused...and looking for answers
och ay wrote:
I'm not sure why the local organizing committee has not put out a statement addressing this. They certainly had to measure it at some point!
They've stated multiple times that they measured the course multiple times and that it was 10.0K.
Their statement wrote:
They've stated multiple times that they measured the course multiple times and that it was 10.0K.
Where? Link?
Their statement wrote:
och ay wrote:I'm not sure why the local organizing committee has not put out a statement addressing this. They certainly had to measure it at some point!
They've stated multiple times that they measured the course multiple times and that it was 10.0K.
Who is this person that measured the course? Any name(s) or e-mail address(es)??????
The Lehigh coaching staff. You can use google to find names/emails if you want.
I'm wondering if the distance controversy will affect my qualification for The Boston Marathon
Wait so if people have to walk a course for the measurements to be accurate, does that mean someone actually walks USATF-certified marathon courses to measure them? What about ultra distances? That sounds like torture
Road ultra marathons are usually run on looped courses. In cross country ultras it doesn't matter, records are based on individual courses.
You can certify courses with a well calibrated bike or with a very long piece of string.
Cross country PRs are meaningless. Who cares.
Did anyone wheel or GPS measure the Lehigh xc course for the 2019 edition of xc club nats (nominally 10k for men, 6k for women)?
This is the link for 2014 strava data that I copied from another thread, but I don't know how to see if there is a similar collection of GPS strava data for 2019:
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