Austin Tamagno owns Mt. SAC, 14:23!

Big Bear High School Mt. Sac top ten list starts with...

Ryan Hall, Big Bear 14:28 (2000 Southern Section Division IV finals)

Caleb Webb, Big Bear 14:34 (2014 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Chad Hall, Big Bear 14:35 (2006 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Footlocker champ Chad Hall is now number three performer on Mt. Sac course for his own team!

(Optional) wrote:

The most famous HS course record in the US was taken down by junior Austin Tamagno today. This kid already owns the sophomore class record at Mt. SAC in addition to breaking the 1600 freshman national record (4:09) and the sophomore national mile record (4:06). His time eclipses Ryan Hall and Jeff Nelson to name a few. He should be the current US #1 after this weekend. Will he win the national title this year?

Tamagno and Fisher are definitely a solid 2-3 for the national title, they've obviously turned in some huge times already this season. That being said, no one is gonna touch John Dressel.

After last year's race, Dressel went went back to the drawing board. He's been doing nothing but fast-twitch muscle stimulation for the past 8 months. I got the chance to observe one of his routines, and it was monstrous. Rather than amping up his mileage (his base is already superb!) he's been focusing primarily on plyometrics and olympic lifts. The kid is taught! I talked to him afterwards, and he said that hes prepared to close the final K of the race in 2:34, the final 400m in sub 60. Needless to say, once Jack Attack hits 4k, neither Fisher nor Tamagno will have any chance of staying with him.

December 13th, 2014 — Watch the Throne

Mr. Saladbar, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

gramps wrote:

Jeff Nelson's 14:32 back in the day will always be the greatest performance in Mt. SAC history in my eyes. The course back then was about 15-20 second slower than today's course, plus he made it look so effortless. Kudos to Tamagno, but Nelson's name should have an asterisk on the all-time list.

Until cross country races are run on private property owned by someone who cares about XC, courses will always change and there is nothing we can do about it. It is fun to talk about records, but there are so many other factors that affect a XC performance (rain, wind, temp, basic course maintenance) that no one can say for sure how they stack up. When small changes to a course is made, there is a natural human tendency to assume it is much bigger than it is. The footing on a 100m stretch of a path might make a difference of 2-3 seconds and everyone will say the difference is 15-20 seconds...a difference of 15-20 seconds is basically a difference course, not minor course changes. I have video tapped XC races where an athlete stopped to retie a shoe or went off course a few feet and everyone will say they lost 15-20 seconds, while my video will show they lost about 5 seconds. The point I am trying make is the seconds we give or take away because of course changes are not as significant as we make it. Btw, I find it interesting that people rarely say a course has gotten slower over time.

Based on a lot of factors, Fernandez's record on Clovis

tops my list.

Pretty sure that I heard back in the day that Fernandez's 14:24 Clovis Record would actually translate to about 14:06-14:07 on the current Mt. Sac Course.

Number 3 man wrote:

Big Bear High School Mt. Sac top ten list starts with...

Ryan Hall, Big Bear 14:28 (2000 Southern Section Division IV finals)

Caleb Webb, Big Bear 14:34 (2014 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Chad Hall, Big Bear 14:35 (2006 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Footlocker champ Chad Hall is now number three performer on Mt. Sac course for his own team!

Arcadia's all-star squad is also bonkers. Here are their times from what I can find

Ammar Moussa 14:24

Phillip Rocha 14:31

Mitchell Pratt 14:39

Sergio Gonzalez 14:44

Estevan De La Rosa 14:44

All-Star schools wrote:

Number 3 man wrote:

Big Bear High School Mt. Sac top ten list starts with...

Ryan Hall, Big Bear 14:28 (2000 Southern Section Division IV finals)

Caleb Webb, Big Bear 14:34 (2014 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Chad Hall, Big Bear 14:35 (2006 Mt. SAC Invitational)

Footlocker champ Chad Hall is now number three performer on Mt. Sac course for his own team!

Arcadia's all-star squad is also bonkers. Here are their times from what I can find

Ammar Moussa 14:24

Phillip Rocha 14:31

Mitchell Pratt 14:39

Sergio Gonzalez 14:44

Estevan De La Rosa 14:44

Yeah that Estevan De La Rosa is a pretty weak 5th man if you ask me :)

You're obviously a 17 year old F'tard with an IQ of 97 who barely knows how to even use the Internet.

Tim Nelson has a 13:20 and 27:28 to his name. Who is that? Go back to playing in the sandbox you f'tard.

Bethke also has a 13:25 to his name, not as great but still a great time and not anything that warrants a "who" unless you know nothing about track like you obviously don't.

F'tard[/quote] ha! 2 guys out of the top 20 that have barely respectable times in the world's standards. Give me a break, their HS times are more "impressive" than what they're running now

Mt. SAC runs about 2.5% faster than Woodward Park.

14:24 Woodward Park 14:02 Mt SAC

14:45 Woodward Park 14:23 Mt SAC

Tamagno's run is excellent for this time of the season. A sub-14 at Mt. SAC is needed to be king of CA XC. German is still the ghost to beat.

Mercados back yard wrote:

1. Mt Sac is the most famous course in the US.

You misspelled Van Cortlandt.

The only HS race in CA anyone in the rest of the country cares about is Footlocker. Congrats to Austin Tamango for getting the record. Now let's see where he finishes at FLN.

Tamagno's run is excellent for this time of the season. A sub-14 at Mt. SAC is needed to be king of CA XC. German is still the ghost to beat.[/quote]

King of CA XC?, Eric Hulst won a World Jr. Championship while in high school.

J.H. wrote:

Tamagno's run is excellent for this time of the season. A sub-14 at Mt. SAC is needed to be king of CA XC. German is still the ghost to beat.

King of CA XC?, Eric Hulst won a World Jr. Championship while in high school.[/quote]

Well, I was talking about the king of CA XC meets, and the 76 World Junior Champs XC race was held in the UK with zero East African countries toeing the line so it's a bit easier to pull off than it is nowadays.

I would take a World Jr Champs individual title over the Mt. SAC course record any day, though, that is for sure!

King of CA XC?, Eric Hulst won a World Jr. Championship while in high school.[/quote]

Well, I was talking about the king of CA XC meets, and the 76 World Junior Champs XC race was held in the UK with zero East African countries toeing the line so it's a bit easier to pull off than it is nowadays.[/quote]

So all the distance races in the 1976 olympics would have been easy to pull off. It didn't seem like the East African nations became dominant until later. Well it's good to know that all it takes to be the King of CA XC is course record in Fresno. Hulst,Hunt,Serna,Nelson,ect. never even ran on that course. Well it's good to know that the international races back then don't add up to todays CA high school standards.

rojo wrote:

162430 wrote:

Now wait just a minute. Tamagno's signature performance this year is an 8 second win where he barely surpassed a Daniel Mercado record. Fisher got a 34 second win and came within 1 second of a Dathan Ritzenhein record at the Portage Invite. Fisher is still #1.

Fisher is a stud. He is a heavy favorite for FL.

Tamagno has run 406 and is a good story.

Virgin's CR is the only one that I know about. He's a legend and no one has been able to beat it. Mercado is far from a legend.

Yes, Mercado isn't a legend. But most people don't even know why he has the record. Mercado lived across the street from Mt. Sac! Therefore, he was able to train on and absorb that course like few others. His CR was awesome, but that's the reason he ran it so fast, not because he was a legend.

Ches on Holmdel is the the most amazing xc race ever run by a high school student. That course is brutal, Ed Moran said even at his peak,13:20 Shape, he would have had a hard time running that.

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