Daniel Komen's 7:20 WR will last 3 more decades at least.

Wait for the next Genetic Freak /thread

Mo no chance he's no front runner

Geb and Bekele too short a distance

El G the only one with a chance but 3 seconds i long way

Yomif Kejelcha will smash the record in a few years..

at 17 his PB is 7:36. He is similarly built to Komen and has the potential to smash all records from 3k to 10k. A real BEAST!

all of the kenyan track distance records were set during the EPO era

1500

mile

2000

2 miles

3000

5000

10,000

all set between 1996 and 2001

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Geb and Bekele too short a distance

El G the only one with a chance but 3 seconds i long way

No. All three could have done it. They had poor pacing in their attempts. To run the times they did with such poor pacing is evidence of this.

all of the kenyan track distance records were set during the EPO era

1500

mile

2000

2 miles

3000

5000

10,000

all set between 1996 and 2001[/quote]

Check your stats 10,000m set in 2005

5,000m 2004

Aslo do you really think they have stopped using EPO spinters are still getting caught for doping

ukathleticscoach wrote:

Check your stats 10,000m set in 2005

5,000m 2004

no

they were both set in 1997 by tergat and komen respectively

it's no coincidence that all those records were set in space of 5 years between 1996-2001 at the height of the EPO era as they are all EPO assisted

no

they were both set in 1997 by tergat and komen respectively

it's no coincidence that all those records were set in space of 5 years between 1996-2001 at the height of the EPO era as they are all EPO assisted[/quote]

You are right I didn't read the Kenyan part. So how come Ethiopians ran faster outside 'the EPO era' and why would distance runners stop doping when sprinters have not.

the EPO era continued up to 2006 when effective testing came in

then you had mircera

and later after the biological passport was introduced came microdosing

"bestiality" ?!?!?!?!?

Who knows when/if this record will be broken. If Daniel Komen could run this in 1996, then some one with unreal talent could come out of no where and break it any year - next year of 50 years in the future.

Who can say. We one thought Rono's record was un-touchable, or Seb Coe's 800, or Bob Beamon's LJ, or Lee Evans 400, or...

We always think something is impossible, until someone does it. When that someone appears is impossible to predict.

peleton wrote:

the EPO era continued up to 2006 when effective testing came in

then you had mircera

and later after the biological passport was introduced came microdosing

Ethiopians don't use EPO

If you really understood the physiology you would know why EPO is not necessary for a world record. It's about efficiency. A faster race uses less total energy.

nowayjo wrote:

No. All three could have done it. They had poor pacing in their attempts. To run the times they did with such poor pacing is evidence of this.

I don't think people realize how fast 7:20 is. Komen came through the 2k in a time that would of put him on the top-ten all time list for that distance. They came through the 800 in 1:56! Geb and Bekele are the 2 greatest of all-time, and El G is, without doubt, the greatest miler of all-time. But, I really can't see any of them, even in their prime, running sub 7:20. I mean, Morceli, a 3:44 miler, only managed a 7:25.

ventolin always overrates the ability of athletes to run fast times in the 3k, so it's no surprise that he considers 7:20 to be equivalent to 1:41. and 9.82, or in other words, a fairly soft record. But year after year we do not see the mid to low 7:20s that he posits as equivalents for so many runners' performances at other distances. It is true that Farah ran 3:28.81. But we just have not seen those sub 7:26s since EPO.

there's been plenty of rabbits on the track these last 2 years

the reality is athletes can't run these fast times anymore on the track from 3000 to 10,000 where EPO is most potent

even the rabbits had EPO back then

peleton wrote:

there's been plenty of rabbits on the track these last 2 years

the reality is athletes can't run these fast times anymore on the track from 3000 to 10,000 where EPO is most potent

even the rabbits had EPO back then

So, no one is using EPO now? When did runners stop using?

oiuoiu wrote:

peleton wrote:

there's been plenty of rabbits on the track these last 2 years

the reality is athletes can't run these fast times anymore on the track from 3000 to 10,000 where EPO is most potent

even the rabbits had EPO back then

So, no one is using EPO now? When did runners stop using?

they still use but it's limited by the ABP

why do you think all the kenyan track records are 15-20 years old?

they don't all run marathons

peleton wrote:

oiuoiu wrote:

So, no one is using EPO now? When did runners stop using?

they still use but it's limited by the ABP

why do you think all the kenyan track records are 15-20 years old?

they don't all run marathons

So, only Kenyans were using?

Even still, you make it sound as though a drove of Kenyans were running these fast times 15-20 years ago, and this isn't true:

- Both Kiplagat (2014) and Kiprop (2013) are a second off the Kenyan record for 1500. And both ran faster than Ngeny.

- There has only been 1 Kenyan (Komen) run under 7:26 for 3000. The 2 next fastest runners from Kenya are Kiptanui and Soi who both ran the same time and Soi ran his in 2011.

- In the 5000, of the 10 fastest times run by Kenyans, only 2 were run before 2005 (Komen, Tergat) and Tergat is #7.

- Of the top 10 Kenyans in the 10,000, only 2 were run before 2003. Rotich ran 26:43 just 3 years ago.

Really, the only Kenyan that has stood out is Komen (which would make sense if Komen really is that 1 in a billion athlete that he almost certainly was).

"Ethiopians don't use EPO

If you really understood the physiology you would know why EPO is not necessary for a world record. It's about efficiency. A faster race uses less total energy."

-talk out of your butt much? as a former athlete liason and "lab tester" for a very prominent exercise physiologist, I can assure you that everything you stated is pure garbage. it's VERY evident that it is you that doesn't have a single clue regarding physiology. basics: erythropoietin increases rbc's...rbc's carry o2...meaning more o2 carried than previous...more o2 means slower onset of excessive lactate production to "hinder" performance- ie rig later...applied, slower onset of lactic acidosis (also controlled by buffer systems, but we are staying on a rudimentary level for you here) will mean being faster and more efficient. total energy is controlled by far more variables than efficiency, not the least including someone's fluctuating weight and overall velocity. some of you need to be banned just for breathing.