Galen Rupp is running 1500 in Brussels! How low can he go?

rojo wrote:

The only reason why I think anyone would predict Rupp would run 3:29 is simply the fact that Farah's 3:28 makes zero logical sense as well and Rupp trains with him.

That is a Hell of a Good way to tHink of it.

ThEy do Probably have sOmething in common.

This race will be a true TEST!

Terrific field, far better than I expected. Definitely a chance, a chance that it will be a very fast race. You know that Kiplagat, Kiprop, Makh Daddy, Iguider, and others will be ready to run sub 3:30 (Makh Daddy just pr'd at 800 at 1:43.52); it just depends on the pacing and whether someone wants to go for a fast one.

Ya, I really don't think he will actually start this race.

Mixed opinion wrote:

Wait, shouldn't we be talking about how he's doping or taking the "Centro-sauce"?? Aren't we suppose to ask if it's Rupp Certified? Then aren't we supposed to come up with outlandish predictions like 3:28.77 or go the other way and say "Rupp will never run under 3:35 again"??? How can I possibly read this thread with credibility right now???

Libtard!

There, now this thread has credibility.

Eventhough Rupp didn't get faster times in 5000m this year - he was very competitive, finishing high in the final results in most races.

I bet he has far more strength/endurance at this stage of the season than any of the pure 1500m guys. This is why I think he has a better shot than most of you think.

That is of course - if he runs more like Nick Willis did in his 3:29. A 54-55 first lap will kill his legs.

rojo wrote:

Are you crazy? YOu think he can run 3:29?

So he's as good at 1500 as Willis? And better than Centro, Leo, etc? NO WAY.

You also apparently think a guy who couldn't break 4 until his junior or senior year in college is now better at 1500 than 5000? Please explain that one to me.

29 men in history have broken 3:30. The 29th men in history at 5000 has run 12:52. WHY WOULD A 10 SPECIALIST LIKE RUPP BE BETTER AT 1500 5000?

The only reason why I think anyone would predict Rupp would run 3:29 is simply the fact that Farah's 3:28 makes zero logical sense as well and Rupp trains with him.

Your post makes no sense. Why can't he be better than Centro and Manzano? Farah is significantly better than them so why can't Rupp be? Manzano and Centro aren't THAT good.

How can you run a running website and then be so ignorant? Running 3:29 would not make him as good as Willis. Did you see Willis' splits? That race was good for significantly faster than his finishing time. So simply running a 3:29 wouldn't mean he's as good.

The further I read your post, the more I believe you are just being dishonest on purpose. Rupp didn't break 4 because he never tried. He ran 4:00 in HIGHSCHOOL.

Are you dishonest or are you that ignorant?

rojo wrote:

Rupp #1 Fan wrote:

This was my prediction as well. I think he just cracks 3:30. 3:29.9

Are you crazy? YOu think he can run 3:29?

So he's as good at 1500 as Willis? And better than Centro, Leo, etc? NO WAY.

You also apparently think a guy who couldn't break 4 until his junior or senior year in college is now better at 1500 than 5000? Please explain that one to me.

29 men in history have broken 3:30. The 29th men in history at 5000 has run 12:52. WHY WOULD A 10 SPECIALIST LIKE RUPP BE BETTER AT 1500 5000?

The only reason why I think anyone would predict Rupp would run 3:29 is simply the fact that Farah's 3:28 makes zero logical sense as well and Rupp trains with him.

Let's look at a couple points you left out.

1) he didn't break 4:00 until late in college because that is when he began working out with Centro, Wheating, Acosta, McNamara etc. Is it illogical to think that actually switching your training, and working out with the top 1500 guys in college (now in the country) would help your 1500 out?

2) he was 2nd in a loaded PAC 10 1500 on a 1500, 5k, 10k triple with the 1500 final being last. He split up centro and wheating and beat several sub 3:40 (specialist) guys like Heath.

3) he ran 4:01 in high school despite training for strength in the 5000 and 10000.

4) he ran 3:50 indoors. How many Americans have ever done that?

5) he split about 4:59 and 6:01 at 2k and 2400 during his indoor 2 mile and hung on for 8:07. do you think Leo or Centro could have done that? Rupp may not be able to out kick them in a 3:33-3:34 race, but that doesn't mean he cannot run as fast, or perhaps faster in a faster race.

6) this part is mostly speculation, but the vibe that comes out of the NOP camp in my reading is that Rupp is somewhere right in there in terms of ability with Farah and Centro when it comes to 1500. If they thought Centro was able to break the indoor AR in the mile, why not make the effort? but it was Rupp who Salazar believed was fit enough for it.

7) none of this guarantees that Rupp runs under 3:30, Farah had the perfect race for his 3:28, but I believe Rupp is not more than a second behind Farah on any given day, and perhaps less.

8) when was the last time you saw Rupp get really crushed in a 1500 or mile? The limiting factor here is how the race unfolds. I think best scenario for Rupp is a fast race from start to finish, just like Farah had it.

Agreed.

If Rupp goes Near the back of this race for the first 800 I think he'll chew up a lot of guys in the last 700, assuming the pace is taken out hard.

Looks like 7 guys have run3:30 or better this season. I don't see 7 guys beating Rupp here.

dkny64 wrote:

Rupp's 7:30.16 3000m puts him in the ballpark of top 40 all time [indoor / outdoor combined] at that distance.

That 3000m time puts him as the 6th fastest person ever indoors with the 12th fastest performance. His 3:50.92 mile makes him the 6th fastest man indoors with the 7th fastest performance at that distance.

This really doesn't add anything to the discussion but I just felt like sharing that because it was interesting.

LetsRun.com wrote:

Here's a stat for you. Farah's PB before he ran 3:28 last year was 3:33.98. So if Rupp improves as much as Farah, he'll break 3:30!!!

I had similar thoughts right when Farah set that 1500m pr. I think I would be HEAVILY excited for Rupp if he ran 3:31-mid to 3:32-mid. But even if that happens, ... will the man ever get to where he deserves to be in the 5k? The relative lack of maximum realization in the 5k has for some time now stymied my enjoyment and excitement over Rupp's ongoing career

Kiplagat

Souleriman

Kiprop

Rupp

telecran wrote:

I guess it will be cool to see how fast he can go. His PR is way behind most of the field, so he will probably bring it down. I say 3:32 high if the pace goes quick. Of course, he could just get shot off the back by the leaders going out in 54. It is good he isn't taking a shot at another 5k somewhere-- he has done enough this year.

I would really like to see him do a half in a few weeks somewhere. I think the AR is his if he wants it.

No way 3:32! End of season tired legs etc. 3:36/37 at best

telecran wrote:

I guess it will be cool to see how fast he can go. His PR is way behind most of the field, so he will probably bring it down. I say 3:32 high if the pace goes quick. Of course, he could just get shot off the back by the leaders going out in 54. It is good he isn't taking a shot at another 5k somewhere-- he has done enough this year.

I would really like to see him do a half in a few weeks somewhere. I think the AR is his if he wants it.

No way 3:32! End of season tired legs etc. 3:36/37 at best

Here's Rupp's splits on Friday

56-56-58-42.7

3:32.7

Basically close to even pace and holding on at the end.

Unless he really feels good at the end and gets under 3:32. A real possibility seeing how he closed in Zurich.

I think this is realistic. He won't be up front on the first lap but will move up from 600-1000 meters.

What a bunch of nonsense all of this noise.

What will be interesting here is the all-time list of fastest 10K -1500 runners.

Do we have the list , what does Rupp have to run to have to break top ten all time 1500 , 10k ?

Agree, great points. Half marathon is not a track event. He can run marathons and half-marathons the rest of his life. He'll only have his 1,500 speed for a finite period of time.

I'll say 3:31.

Kiprop first.

Rupp switched drugs. From EPO and HgH to certified weed. I guess it also affected his decisions on what he should race.

I 100% stand by what I wrote. There is ZERO reason to think he'll break 3:30 other than the fact he trains with Farah.Let me take a few of these counter points 1 by 1.

No, it's not illogical to think that having a 10,000 runner train with 1500 runners that he will improve his 1500. What is illogical is to think he'll become world class at the event. Totally illogical.

How many 3:29s have the 1500 specialists above run? Zero.

Does the reverse work? When is Centro going to run 26 for 10k.

Great so he can run with some top US collegians at 1500. What does that have to do with running 3:29 as people are speculating about?

He ran with some good guys at 1500. That doesn't make him or them 329 guys.

Yet everyone says he's improved so much at 10,000 because he worked on his speed so much in HS/college and was relatively low-mileage. You can't have it both ways.

How many have tried to do it?

I can't answer that one for you. I wondered that myself but Centro pretty much had a zero of an indoor season so I'm assuming he wasn't in shape.

I think Rupp's success in 1500/miles is a bit over stated. He's done well in some time trials indoors when no one else is in shape that time of year. But what big competitive 1500/miles has he run and done well in? I really can't think of any.

He was a DNF after the 2012 Games in Lausanne, he was a DNF indoors this year as well at New Balance. Last year, he was 5th in the UK in 3:52.

Yes he's run 3:50 for the indoor mile time trial. But go read renato Canova's post from last month where he states that indoors is faster than outdoors. That very well could be true for rupp as during his indoor time trials, he's running with zero wind and running exactly one mile.

In a real race with a competive field, you have to run more than a mile.

Rupp's 3:50.92 indoor mile is probably very similar to the 3:52 mile he ran outdoors in his last competitive mile (5th last summer in Glasgow).

But let's say he runs that 3:50.92 again. Do you guys realize that 3:50 is a LONG WAY OFF Of 3:30? And Rupp's better suited for a mile than 1500.

A 3:29 is equivalent to 3:46. I'd be surprised if he can do anything better than a 3:50 equivalent for 1500 in a competitive field.

His 3:50.92 pb is equivalent to 3:33.8 for 1500. 3:32 will be GREAT for rupp. That's doable. 3:29 no chance.