the simple truth wrote:
How many qualify for CIF from Century League. 4:13 goes home?
Top-3 are AQ, and anyone under either 4:20 or 4:21 still move on - so, 6 qualified from the Century League this year.
the simple truth wrote:
How many qualify for CIF from Century League. 4:13 goes home?
Top-3 are AQ, and anyone under either 4:20 or 4:21 still move on - so, 6 qualified from the Century League this year.
For the Mega-District CA CIF-SS Masters Meet 12th place in the 1600m was 4:14.71.
SS is the Southern Section which includes much of Southern California less San Diego and Los Angeles schools. There are 570 schools in the CIF-SS.
2013 1600m Results:
http://cif-ss-masters.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=2538&year=2013&do=info#Mens_1600m
CIF-SS Masters Meet wrote:
For the Mega-District CA CIF-SS Masters Meet 12th place in the 1600m was 4:14.71.
SS is the Southern Section which includes much of Southern California less San Diego and Los Angeles schools. There are 570 schools in the CIF-SS.
2013 1600m Results:
http://cif-ss-masters.runnerspace.com/eprofile.php?event_id=2538&year=2013&do=info#Mens_1600m
Congrats. The equivalent of the CIF-SS Masters Meet for WA schools would be a WA/OR Meet of Champions (~380 schools in Washington, ~280 in Oregon). 12th place would be better than 4:14.71 (at the moment, this year's #12 would be Garfield WA's Cameron Stanish at 4:13.67 for 1600m; last year, it would have been Central Catholic OR's Kyle Thompson at 4:14.85y).
watchout wrote:
Congrats. The equivalent of the CIF-SS Masters Meet for WA schools would be a WA/OR Meet of Champions (~380 schools in Washington, ~280 in Oregon).
Nope. You would have to exclude the two largest cities, Seattle and Portland.
CIF-SS Masters Meet wrote:
watchout wrote:Congrats. The equivalent of the CIF-SS Masters Meet for WA schools would be a WA/OR Meet of Champions (~380 schools in Washington, ~280 in Oregon).
Nope. You would have to exclude the two largest cities, Seattle and Portland.
... because then instead of a similar population, WA/OR would have half the population and 2/3 of the schools?
That wouldn't make any sense.
watchout wrote:
12th place would be better than 4:14.71 (at the moment, this year's #12 would be Garfield WA's Cameron Stanish at 4:13.67 for 1600m; last year, it would have been Central Catholic OR's Kyle Thompson at 4:14.85y).
That Stanish kid has a good shot at winning 4A. He took down all the top Gig Harbor guys at Oregon Relays. Drew Schrieber from Eisenhower might be the only one who can beat him. Any idea where he's headed next year? Either way, the 4A 1600 and 3200 will be incredible this year.
Name: wrote:
We are a nation of immigrants who killed approximately 12 million Natives so one of your ancestors was an anchor baby unless you're 100% Native (which you're not).
To my understanding Gidabuday's family still lives in Africa so I'm curious how he qualifies as an anchor baby.
Now back to running. Does anyone have a list of National class records for the 1600/mile?
Sorry KINCO 4A looks like you are out.
Most of our population was born in the US. This is unremarkable; the same is true of every exept (maybe) Monaco - even Lichtenstein. So, very little of our population are immigrants and far fewer still have killed a Native American. I haven't. The Mob hasn't. The Klan hasn't. Must one assume that you, the LRC poster, has killed 10 million or so and your friends and family another couple mil between them?
West of the Cascades wrote:
watchout wrote:12th place would be better than 4:14.71 (at the moment, this year's #12 would be Garfield WA's Cameron Stanish at 4:13.67 for 1600m; last year, it would have been Central Catholic OR's Kyle Thompson at 4:14.85y).
That Stanish kid has a good shot at winning 4A. He took down all the top Gig Harbor guys at Oregon Relays. Drew Schrieber from Eisenhower might be the only one who can beat him. Any idea where he's headed next year? Either way, the 4A 1600 and 3200 will be incredible this year.
Yeah, Stanish should be one of the favorites. I'd say he, Schrieber, and Carroll would be the three favorites, and I don't think any have any real edge over the others.
I haven't heard where Stanish is going, but where it is they're getting a pretty solid talent.
By the way, for the "CIF-SS Masters Meet" troll, CIF-SS has a population of more than 15.2 million (because that isn't including the areas of Kern County that compete in the SS, or Imperial County either ... it would be 19.1m if LA were included); WA/OR combined has a population of 10.9 million. So I guess I should have added Idaho, Montana, Alaska and Hawaii to the NW Meet of Champions for a more balanced comparison. That would mean 19 guys as fast as the #12 CIF-SS finisher you mentioned last year, and 20 so far this year.
Including the largest cities in your WA maths and excluding them from CA math is called biasing the data. Therefore, your hypothesis that WA > CA, is a Type I error.
West of the Cascades wrote:
Ego Buster wrote:Short WA tracks make times look great, don't they.
Haha... not as much as the California "5k" cross-country courses.
I think you meant 'California 5k "cross-country" courses.' California kids don't have a cross season, they just run on dirt roads.
Do WA/OR have a combined population of more than the Century League?
the simple truth wrote:
Do WA/OR have a combined population of more than the Century League?
Oh great, another troll. I'm not sure how that is relevant either.
South of the Cascades wrote:
West of the Cascades wrote:Yes. KINGCO 4A in the Seattle Metro area. 4:25 didn't even qualify.
11 schools in that league and the top 3 1600 runners combined still lose head-to-head (1 vs. 1, 2 vs. 2, 3 vs. 3) to the fastest school in the Century League.
League v. League, Century's top 4 are ahead of KingCo's best guy. Top 20 v. Top 20 the two leagues are almost identical, with KingCo's 20th best about 1.5 seconds ahead of Century's.
Deeper, yes, barely.
Faster, no, not close.
Q. Know what travels faster than the speed of light?
A. Facts through the empty space between a Seattle-ite's ears.
So I think the final answer to my questions are: There's not a faster league for the boys 1600/distances in the nation, there may be deeper regions but not leagues (small groups of schools that meet multiple times throughout the season to determine the teams standing against those schools and identify a champion). No one can locate National class records for the 1600/mile and it's clear why many knowledgable runners or coaches don't post on this board anymore.
letsrun should require registration for participation and allow for voting like reddit.
Name: wrote:
So I think the final answer to my questions are: There's not a faster league for the boys 1600/distances in the nation, there may be deeper regions but not leagues (small groups of schools that meet multiple times throughout the season to determine the teams standing against those schools and identify a champion). No one can locate National class records for the 1600/mile and it's clear why many knowledgable runners or coaches don't post on this board anymore.
letsrun should require registration for participation and allow for voting like reddit.
1. True, due to the top-end talent I think it's accurate to say the Century League is the fastest 1600m league in the nation this year.
2. Not true. 4A KingCo in Washington, as mentioned, is just as deep (though it has 11 teams vs. Century's 7). So is 4A Narrows League in Washington (7 teams), Greater Spokane League in Washington (10 teams), and 5A District III in Idaho (10 teams -- leagues = districts in Idaho). Utah Region 4 (7 teams -- and, I believe that all the teams in the same Region have league meets with eachother, though I could be wrong). I'm sure there are several others as well (maybe some of the Chicagoland leagues, Philly area leagues, etc.), as that's just the NW leagues I'm familiar with.
3. I posted the national sophomore class records for 1600/mile. I just didn't have depth all the way back to where Tamagno was - Ryun was the only Top-10 guy missing.
Basically CA>WA /end
truthteller12 wrote:
Basically CA>WA /end
Obviously. CA is pretty big (more than 9x the size of WA).
CA has the fastest league (Century), and possibly the deepest league (South Bay w/ Redondo, Palos Verdes, Mira Costa, etc.).
truthteller12 wrote:
Basically CA>WA /end
You need to re-read your 2013 XC stats.
And as a further stat, because I have way too much time on my hands, this year, there are 57 sub 4:20 performances out of 11,045 total in CA in the 1600. In WA, there are 21 out of 3000. In the 3200, 47 sub 9:20s out of 6519. In WA it is 21 out of 1745. Per capita, it's an easy win for WA. Plus, head to head in XC, there is absolutely no contest that WA was the better state this fall, accumulating the results from NXN and Footlocker.
I've never seen a per capita race but that would be interesting. One thing to consider about Ca in the postseason is that the teams have been racing 5 week consecutively once they reach NXN or Footlocker Regionals.