Unseen Gabriele Grunewald DQ Footage That USATF Does Not Want You to See For Your Viewing Pleasure

I don't know if I would blame Salazar. I would say:1) As Hasay's coach, Salazar should have filed a protest (which he did)2) USATF should have reviewed that protest and denied it based on the video (which they did)3) This should have been the end of itThe issue is that Salazar/Nike's antics worked. Was him putting additional pressure with the weight of Nike behind him classy? Hell no, it was completely classless. But I wouldn't demonize him for it. The fact that it worked was 100% on USATF.As an analogy: I have a trashy neighbor that smokes constantly, plays crappy music too loud, drinks a lot of junky beer, and makes no attempt to maintain his house or yard. Do I think he is a bad person for these things? No, but I do think he is trashy and I don't want to associate with him. I view Salazar the same way: he is trash and I wouldn't want to associate with him, but I'm not going to be calling for him to be banned from coaching. I am upset with USATF for bending to his will, but that isn't on Salazar IMO.

Coach XYZ wrote:

I couldn't agree more. Bumping takes place in all races, but not the Pamplona bull trample that GG promulgated. Now, after watching the 4 minute clip, I am convinced that GG should have been DQ'd. The crusade of LR to attack on Salazar and USATF after this race was disgraceful and insulting to our sport. Low Class!!

What a load of crap. Innocent bumping because Hasay ran slower than GG though she was.

Excellent post- sums it up well.

One thing I never noticed before was that Hasay was right on Rowbury until the contact then noticeably slowed. About to die anyway? I don't know but the contact did affect her.

I have mixed feelings about the DQ. It could be called either way. "Inadvertent" by nature must be subjective to some extent.

1) DQ

2) No DQ

3) No DQ

4) DQ

5) Hasay withdraws

I'm OK with that sequence. Someone saw contact and was concerned. Initially seen as a DQ later reviewed on limited evidence (there was more video after all) to determine there was no foul. Then upheld. Then new evidence. I think all of that can be viewed as legit. It would be wrong fro USATF to overturn after that. However Hasay had a right to withdraw. Procedurally Grunewald should have still been DQ'd, even if it was demonstrated as unfair (not a foul) later.

I looked at this video 6 ways to Sunday, no way should there have been a DQ here. What a joke, the person defending on here is an idiot PERIOD.

Why do people keep saying that Hasay withdrew HER protest?

I understand it was filed on her behalf, but it was Salazar's protest. He initially filed it, and pushed the issue. It's highly unlikely Hasay had a say in anything until the end, and I doubt she made that decision alone.

WWRD wrote:

I looked at this video 6 ways to Sunday, no way should there have been a DQ here. What a joke, the person defending on here is an idiot PERIOD.

Pretty simple here fellas- the DQ should stand according to the rule.

Sure, I get it, she would have won anyway....blah blah blah....agreed. However, the rules and enforcement of them at the big boy level is very clear. She wasn't thinking, made a mistake by setting up a pass on the inside of the track....did not take the time necessary to slow up and go around Jordan and as a result clipped her leg and impeded her stride. The real confirmation to me is that she almost does it AGAIN as she approaches SR for the pass....sets up to make an inside pass then awkwardly jumps to the outside just avoiding her trail leg. (this is what she should have done with JH to avoid an infraction.)

Whip out your NCAA rulebook and flip to RULE 5 Section 4 and 5. (roughly page 73/74 depending on what year your book is)

SECTION 4. Legal Running-

Legal Running Without Lanes

Article 2.

a. A competitor may run anywhere on the track at any pace or any change of pace as long as the competitor does not IMPEDE or OBSTRUCT by any body or arm action THE PROGRESS OF ANOTHER RUNNER.

SECTION 5. Article 3. The referee, after consulting with the appropriate officials, shall disqualify a competitor who:

a. Jostles, cuts across or obstructs another competitor so as to impede the other runner's progress. Direct contact is not necessary; ANY ACTION THAT CAUSES ANOTHER RUNNER TO BREAK STRIDE OR LOSE MOMENTUM is grounds for disqualification.

The above is quoted exactly as it reads. with capitalization added for emphasis.

Game. Set. Match. McEnroe.

Tadpole wrote:

It seems Letsrun is rehashing this ancient topic to distract from their screw-up on the Hall is God and the real reason a black American was declared winner of the BM bs story.

Yes, we planned USATF accidentally leaking footage from the 3K DQ so we could take attention off an article that got 28,000 likes on facebook. Brilliant.

Another View Than Before wrote:

One thing I never noticed before was that Hasay was right on Rowbury until the contact then noticeably slowed. About to die anyway? I don't know but the contact did affect her.

I have mixed feelings about the DQ. It could be called either way. "Inadvertent" by nature must be subjective to some extent.

1) DQ

2) No DQ

3) No DQ

4) DQ

5) Hasay withdraws

I'm OK with that sequence. Someone saw contact and was concerned. Initially seen as a DQ later reviewed on limited evidence (there was more video after all) to determine there was no foul. Then upheld. Then new evidence. I think all of that can be viewed as legit. It would be wrong fro USATF to overturn after that. However Hasay had a right to withdraw. Procedurally Grunewald should have still been DQ'd, even if it was demonstrated as unfair (not a foul) later.

There was no initial DQ; Grunewald was only DQd after Salazar's 3rd protest. I believe there was a raised flag or something, but the officials initially ruled it as not a DQ.

So...

1) Live Call: No DQ

2) Salazar Protests: No DQ

3) Salazar Appeals: Still no DQ

4) Salazar Appeals Again (most would say this third appeal shouldn't have been allowed): DQ

5) Grunewald Appeals: Still DQd

6) Huge amounts of uproar against USATF which was not at all orchestrated by LetsRun as some have claimed here (I'm sorry do you really think we got Will Leer to give that interview bashing USATF or had the women's 1500 runners walk off the track holding hands???)

6) Hasay Withdraws Protest

7) Grunewald Un-DQd (Technically an illegal move by USATF and while I was happy with the outcome, I wasn't happy with the process. USATF essentially let Hasay take the fall for their mistake.)

Lost all respect for GG.

This is no different than the original video I saw.

This is a non event.

Soprano wrote:

Another View Than Before wrote:

One thing I never noticed before was that Hasay was right on Rowbury until the contact then noticeably slowed. About to die anyway? I don't know but the contact did affect her.

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There was no initial DQ; Grunewald was only DQd after Salazar's 3rd protest. I believe there was a raised flag or something, but the officials initially ruled it as not a DQ.

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At least start your sequence off with

0) official observes contact and raises flag

Instead of being so dismissive of this crucial point.

Squirrel! wrote:

At least start your sequence off with

0) official observes contact and raises flag

Instead of being so dismissive of this crucial point.

Fine, fair enough. I wasn't trying to dismiss the contact or I would have started with 1) Salazar Protests. The "1) Live Call" is acknowledging a call needed to be made in the first place because there was contact.

Don' wanna be bumped from behind? Run faster!

Soprano wrote:

Yes, we planned USATF accidentally leaking footage from the 3K DQ so we could take attention off an article that got 28,000 likes on facebook. Brilliant.

Yeah right. USATF didn't find the video and start multiple threads about it on here. YOU did.

Thanks for sharing!

the process is the problem wrote:

[quote]wejo wrote:

How could Hasay pulling out have any effect on sending a DQ'd runner to Worlds? Deciding on not going to Worlds does not change the fact that GG was DQ'd.

With Hasay out and Rowbery going, I believe GG was the only US athlete available for the second spot.

So she could be DQed and still go to worlds. It has happened before (Holman 97).

But I have no idea how Hasay withdrawing after the DQ had been made official could reverse the DQ and give GG first place.

Besides Hasay, this jumps her ahead of everyone else in the race.

The officials have to determine a DQ, not the competitors.

What happens if the USATF makes a decision that Grunewald did indeed impede Hasay's progress? Do they strip her of her indoor title and make her give back the running gear they gave her? Fine her? Suspend her?

McEnroe wrote:

Pretty simple here fellas- the DQ should stand according to the rule.

She wasn't DQ'ed under the rules. She was DQ'ed illegally.