Hmm, still not getting that this thread is about winning medals post 35 and how to train for that.
Hmm, still not getting that this thread is about winning medals post 35 and how to train for that.
dsrunner wrote:
Lagat was easily 7:25 / 12:45 capable. I'm guessing he might've even been closer to the 3000m record than the 1500m record.
If only, he'd trained for them.
Bernie would win over 5K today and Bekele is what, 8 years younger.
Anyways both clearly found what works for them. You can't prove a certain method works or doesn't work for everyone because of what a tiny sample of runners did. That's how we end up with ideas like "ice baths."
SMJO wrote:
Hmm, still not getting that this thread is about winning medals post 35 and how to train for that.
to put another way -
how to underachieve pre 35 so you have to continue after 35 when your younger rivals outperformed you
2000s wrote:
not as much as the EPO he uses
F you, don't disrespect Bernard Lakick
advocate of devils wrote:
SMJO wrote:Hmm, still not getting that this thread is about winning medals post 35 and how to train for that.
to put another way -
how to underachieve pre 35 so you have to continue after 35 when your younger rivals outperformed you
You're starting to get it. Now just think of how he's salvaging something from his wasted youth by carrying on and you'll have got it.
Well done!
Keeping in mind that Tergat and Geb did still continue and Bekele likely will as well.
Why are you guys calling that a long/hard run?
I'll bet he's not even breathing hard during a 5:12 mile, and it takes him less than an hour.
Off time and effort that's your basic "maintenance" run for a hobby jogger.
Wouldn't he be better off at 5:20-30 for 15-17 miles?
Mofong wrote:
The concept is over his head, SMJO. Don't bother.
The concept is over both of their heads. Smjo and ventolin are the biggest idiots on this bored. Don't get them started. They both have issues when it comes to admitting they are wrong.
On the other hand, I wonder which of those idiots would give up first. I don't doubt that it would take pages and pages of insults and straw man subject changes though either way. Let the name calling begin...
htfufuh wrote:
Mofong wrote:The concept is over his head, SMJO. Don't bother.
The concept is over both of their heads. Smjo and ventolin are the biggest idiots on this bored. Don't get them started. They both have issues when it comes to admitting they are wrong.
On the other hand, I wonder which of those idiots would give up first. I don't doubt that it would take pages and pages of insults and straw man subject changes though either way. Let the name calling begin...
Hmmm, looks like you don't get it either. Is this thread not about lagat's training NOW? Ventolin is right about what he's saying, he just doesn't seem to get the thread.
BTW It's spelled board. Just one idiot trying to help another.
SMJO wrote:
BTW It's spelled board. Just one idiot trying to help another.
I'm not the idiot here. Only an idiot would think that I don't know how to spell board.
You mean that you know how to spell it now that I've taught you the correct way.
Well done.
If you don't take at least a day off every two weeks then you may be addicted to running (which is as compulsively bad as any other addiction). I take a day off every 6 days and routinely beat near top level runners who take this shit way too seriously. It's funny when I beat them off 50 miles a week not giving two fvcks. A day off every week to 10 days will make you a better runner, addicts are the ones who deny this. The only way you get better is through recovery. If you don't recover, you just get more and more tired and eventually burned out. /thread
bad as naomi russell wrote:
perhaps we all could use a day off each week to stay as fresh as Bernie!
from Twitter:
Bernard Lagat @Lagat1500 Mar 17
When I take a day off (Sunday) each week. I'm able to do this on Mon: 11mi @ avg pace 5:12min/mi. Heading home for ice bath and stretching.
Not overly impressed with 11mi@5:12 pace. Lindgren used to do 10mi@48:00 as training runs.
This is LR.com. The acceptance of words like "rest", "day off" or "high mileage works not for every runner" is low.
Mrr82 wrote:Actually they weren't. Lagat just never got in a fast race. The guy ran a 12:59 in 2006 beating Bekele closing in 51.9. Prior to his last lap that pace was jogging for him. He had low-low 12:40's in him. Off a real pace.
actually, 51.9 was kennster leading at bell to bernie's winning time
bernie's actual last lap was ~ 51.5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2rHmSKqs2wbernie also ran both bends wide out in the lane, adding maybe 0.75 - 0.8m from route 1 -> extra distance of total ~ 5.00m & he was pushed out wide into lane 3 by kennster in the stretch
that last lap if route 1 wouda been more like
51.5 * ( 400/405 ) =
50.9
that's as fast a last lap as mo did in his 14'00+ which was route 1 but bernie clocked 12'59
that day, i'm pretty sure his prelim line of fit was ~
49.0 / 1'44.9 ->
3'28.5
4'45.1
7'22.8
12'49.7
( he ran 3'29.6 in rieti that year but i don't remember pacing being good )
surprisingly still only ~ 12'50, but damn good 3k potential
Read somewhere that El G did 5 days in a row of 10 miles in 50 minutes, at altitude.
11mi at 5:12 pace is really, really nothing special for an elite 1500/5k guy.
10 milers in 50-52 min have been a staple of world class middle distance runners for many decades.
advocate of devils wrote:
Mofong wrote:The concept is over his head, SMJO. Don't bother.
Yes
How can I not understand that the runners I listed have all had superior careers to Lagat and retired because they accomplished what he could not
How dense are you? Nobody's arguing that point with you. You seem to only want to keep arguing about that while the thread was about a totally different subject.
ABout 1 minute give or take off of his current 5k ability.
For a 17 minute guy that would be 11 miles at 6:30 pace?
Done weekly, would develop some killer strength.
Rupp and Mo do their easy Monday at 5:30 pace after running a hard 26 on Sunday. LOL, not.
Mr. Greenburg wrote:
The point is that this seems to work for Lagat but would not be best for most others...regardless of pace. Say the guy who can't break 17 for a 5k reads this, starts taking days off but runs "really hard" the next day. I gurantee he will not improve. A day off here and there is fine but for most athletes less volume at higher intensity does not work. We also don't know Lagat's entire training program so to just start duplicating the day off followed by a long hard run would be a mistake. I lived through the 80's when American coaches tried to duplicate Seb Coe's program without knowing all of the details. "Long slow distance makes long slow runners" was the motto. Many coaches, including mine, eliminated the long run and reduced our mileage thinking we would be fresh and fast all the time. Well...we were fresh but not fast and most of us couldn't duplicate our times from the prior season. Moral of the story is to be careful when trying to duplicate the training of the elites.
And if Lagat had tried to duplicate Peter Snell's training, his body would have broken down. He (and James Li) has found a system that works for him. That's the part we need to emulate.