Mo Farah's new form: here's a sneak peak

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

Dingo Dog wrote:

"So who's the hypocrite?", that's the whole point, we're all hypocrites. At what level, and for what, does hypocrisy become acceptable and who's going to be the arbiter?

It's not just Nike producing products with "what amounts to (almost) slave labor" and who hasn't bought those other companies products?, including you and Gamera.

I don't buy Nike. So with the example given I am not a hypocrite.

Nike was my favorite brand when I started running but I don't like the way they do things so I don't buy their products anymore (and that goes for other brands too).

"So with the example given I am not a hypocrite"?, did you miss the bit about "who hasn't bought those other companies products?, including you and Gamera". Have ever bought any of those other companies products (and in case it's not totally clear to you, not just running products) made in China or a third world country, do you actually check to see if it is before buying, or possibly made under "(almost) slave labor"?, probably not, which is why you're a hypocrite. But then again you could come on here and say anything.

My god...do you even read what was written?

Nike does not exploit people in less developed countries to fund Salazar experiments (which is absolutely nothing for a corporation making billions in earnings). They do it because they can and it make them richer. That "extra" money they get from exploitation of whatever goes to line the pockets of shareholders and high ranking corporate execs more than anywhere.

Now this last part is opinion, but I don't believe it is Nike's responsibility to do anything in particular with the money they do make. If they want to spend it on making pink snow...I think that is their fair prerogative. It seems to me the real issue here is not Nike, or any corporation making money, but the exploitative and ruthless way in which many corporations do.

Ultimately though, it just seems like you have an entirely different viewpoint of what corporations should do with the money they earn. It sounds as if you feel corporations should take excess earnings and, instead of distributing them to shareholders, they ought to use them for humanitarian projects.

Dingo Dog wrote:

"So with the example given I am not a hypocrite"?, did you miss the bit about "who hasn't bought those other companies products?, including you and Gamera". Have ever bought any of those other companies products (and in case it's not totally clear to you, not just running products) made in China or a third world country, do you actually check to see if it is before buying, or possibly made under "(almost) slave labor"?, probably not, which is why you're a hypocrite. But then again you could come on here and say anything.

I do check it and if you had read what I wrote you would have inferred that I have bought Nike in the past but then stopped buying it.

As for the rest, I am not going to offer an extensive description of my shopping habits.

You affirm I am a hypocrite without knowing me and then you say "I" could come here and say what I want.

You are the one judging and labelling a person you never met.

Leave me alone, will you? Thanks.

so superior wrote:

Gamera wrote:

That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day. How absurd has our society become, when half the world is starving and broke, and yet we have people investing all this time, money, resources, and manpower in some kind of weird hybrid of science, pseudoscience, and pointlessness, trying to get some guy to maybe be able to run a few seconds faster in a marathon?

What kind of car do you drive?

Since you ask, I don't drive much (I commute by bike most of the time), but the car I do drive is a 1993 Honda Accord with 150K miles on it. So if you're trying to bust me for hypocrisy there, you failed.

And as it happens, since you're apparently looking to go the ad hominem attack route, I do live reasonably close to the ideals I express. I don't watch TV, I buy my clothes at Goodwill, I rarely go out, I live with my wife and 2 kids in an 800 sq ft house, and what little money I have left over after expenses, I give to what I consider worthy causes. Yes, I know it's boring and you don't care about me, but the thing is, your question indicates that nobody has the right to question Nike or other horrible corporations because they themselves are hypocrites. But that's not true! I may be a dick, but I don't live my life like a self-centered psychopath, and neither do a lot of other people. It's convenient to act like nothing can be done about anything anyway, so we might as well all act like mass-consuming selfish scum, but I don't buy it.

I think many people are so brainwashed by the status quo line that selfishness is good, consumerism is good, being as shallow and stupid and insipid as possible is the way to go (see almost all pop stars, sports stars, etc) that they think anybody questioning this approach is just some dweeb who doesn't know how to have fun, or a hypocrite. Which is ironic, when you think about it.

LM wrote:

Ultimately though, it just seems like you have an entirely different viewpoint of what corporations should do with the money they earn. It sounds as if you feel corporations should take excess earnings and, instead of distributing them to shareholders, they ought to use them for humanitarian projects.

AHAHAHAHA! That's hilarious!! Humanitarian projects! That would be so stupid! Who in their right mind would want to take their hard-stolen money and help those less fortunate them? They would have to be complete a**holes to do something so perverse!

Intensive Porcupine wrote:

You are the one judging and labelling a person you never met.

Correct, because we're all hypocrites.

And brother, if you can't stand the heat, or differing opinions, stay out of the kitchen, that way you will be left alone.

sneak peak wrote:

http://instagram.com/p/iJ-KzCSarq/

I do see a difference. It looks like Wilson Kipsang's form a bit, especially the arms

Reduced the amplitude of his arm oscillation a bit. That's normal as running speed goes down and certainly desirable when glycogen is limited.

People who don't think biomechanics are important probably don't understand the word, don't understand physics, or a bit of both.

Please get over yourself. What you just described puts you in the top 10% of the world in terms of quality of life, but somehow you think because you give a minority of your income to charity gives you the right to call others brainwashed psychopaths and say corporate executives you have never met are @ssholes for being a couple percent higher on the overall wealth distribution.

Every altruistic person I've known has been humble and introspective, knowing that they can't inspire others to do the same by judging them. You'll find the @sshole in the mirror.

"That's the most depressing thing I've heard all day. How absurd has our society become, when half the world is starving and broke, and yet we have people investing all this time, money, resources, and manpower in some kind of weird hybrid of science, pseudoscience, and pointlessness, trying to get some guy to maybe be able to run a few seconds faster in a marathon?"

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This is retarded. So because there exists poor people who don't have a lot, we shouldn't move forward as a society in sporting events? Like, there will always be those who are unwealthy, those who choose to stay in their poor environment, many who are genuinely stuck, but things will, well, as they say, move on.

You're using the internet... I'm assuming, unless you are posting on this forum through the influence of god. The internet requires electricity to run. 41% of electricity is produced through the burning of coal *the next is 21% produced by gas*

Coal is mined from the earth in significant amounts in China 3549Mt in 2012 *2nd was US at 935Mt*

http://www.worldcoal.org/resources/coal-statistics/

China is notorious for its abuse of coal miners, see the following article:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/the-worlds-deadliest-prof_b_1179479.html

So by using the internet which uses electricity which largest producer is coal at 41% and 45% of coal is produced in China with terrible record on its pay and treatment of coal miners, I would say you should cancel your internet immediately.

When you go to the Goodwill store buy new items made in the countries where the workers are trying to claw their way out of poverty, I'm sure they'll appreciate it. You could use the money that you spend to "buy some beers or something, which I don't actually need strictly speaking".

By the way, some of us can remember back in the day the holier than thou hypocrites saying much the same thing (i.e. slave labour, etc) about Japan, Taiwan, Singapore, Hong Kong, South Korea, etc.

Hardloper wrote:

Please get over yourself. What you just described puts you in the top 10% of the world in terms of quality of life, but somehow you think because you give a minority of your income to charity gives you the right to call others brainwashed psychopaths and say corporate executives you have never met are @ssholes for being a couple percent higher on the overall wealth distribution.

Every altruistic person I've known has been humble and introspective, knowing that they can't inspire others to do the same by judging them. You'll find the @sshole in the mirror.

That's fine. I'm not interested in convincing you I'm a good guy. Why would I be? I don't know you and will never meet you. I'm a hypocritical dick who wants to pretend to be altruistic. Fine. Whatever. I only brought up my own situation because somebody asked what kind of car I drive, apparently assuming I would confess to alternating between a Rolls Royce and a specially modified 3-storey Hummer.

But attacking me doesn't make my argument wrong. If Charles Manson said that running 100-120 mpw with some speedwork mixed in was a good way to get in racing shape, would you say he was wrong just because he is repellent on a personal level? I stand by what I said earlier:

-getting a team of experts and all their resources to change Farah's form is a waste of time and money

-flying a cryochamber to NY for several days of cooling Ritz off after his shakeout runs before the marathon is a waste of time and money

-this seems like typical Nike behavior to me

-I find it a shame that resources are wasted on such useless things when so many out there are subsisting on so little

-I find Nike especially galling among corporations, because I happen to care about distance running, and they shamelessly exploit the memory of Steve Prefontaine to serve the bottom line

So criticize me all you want - I really don't care. But I'd prefer you address the above statements.

Dingo Dog wrote:

When you go to the Goodwill store buy new items made in the countries where the workers are trying to claw their way out of poverty, I'm sure they'll appreciate it.

"It was not long ago that sweatshops existed in many now-wealthy Asian countries."

"No prizes for guessing which one is most likely to get some flak – buying more from developing countries. The futures of some of the world’s poorest people and of the global environment are intimately linked to the contents of our shopping baskets." Oxfam

Gamera wrote:

That's fine. I'm not interested in convincing you I'm a good guy. Why would I be? I don't know you and will never meet you. I'm a hypocritical dick who wants to pretend to be altruistic. Fine. Whatever. I only brought up my own situation because somebody asked what kind of car I drive, apparently assuming I would confess to alternating between a Rolls Royce and a specially modified 3-storey Hummer.

No, it isn't about whether you're a good person. It's that you decided it was a good idea to ruin other people's fun to preach to us about society. You didn't bring up your own situation because someone asked you to, you brought it up because on page 1 you decided to take an interesting topic where we wanted to discuss marathon biomechanics and turn it into your own personal soap box.

Is researching Mo's running form a waste of money? Obsessing over a few seconds here and there has brough Farah from a top-10 placer to a superstar athlete, winning two gold medals in front of his home country and probably earning a nice paycheck. If he's like many athletes he will use that fame and fortune to start a charity someday if he hasn't already. Have you never spent money to get better at your job?

What Nike does with its sweatshops, I'm sure we all agree is wrong, but it is way outside the scope of this message board, and does not need to be discussed.

Gamera wrote:

But I'd prefer you address the above statements.

expect you do but you made other statements in other posts on this thread and like it or not they are getting addressed

Hardloper wrote:

No, it isn't about whether you're a good person. It's that you decided it was a good idea to ruin other people's fun to preach to us about society. You didn't bring up your own situation because someone asked you to, you brought it up because on page 1 you decided to take an interesting topic where we wanted to discuss marathon biomechanics and turn it into your own personal soap box.

You're right, I've gone off topic, and for that I apologize. I don't think I'm the first person to do that on the message board, but principles are principles, etc. So I truly apologize.

I might also note that you have made 4 contributions of your own to this thread so far: one stating that a 10k record attempt might be on for later this year, and 3 attacking me. So you haven't exactly been doing all that much to enlighten readers who want to "discuss marathon biomechanics" either. So maybe we should both resolve to stick to the topic?

Alright, I've had my say, so I'm outta here. Please feel free to resume discussing biomechanics without fear of any further interference from Gamera.

Both Salazar and Ma applied cough cough biomechanics cough cough successfully on their athletes.

I just want to know where to get one of those breathing apparatuses so I don't have to breath in the same air as those meathead gallon jug carrying neanderthall weightlifters like IDIOTFIT..THE REAL...1

Gameras & Porcupines of this world give off topic opinions & statements & get the shits when anyone questions or disagrees with em.