Shannon Rowbury to OREGON PROJECT!

i sincerely love that this is turning into a heated debate about the life and times of Natalie Portman

Added Perspective wrote:

ntrsjrd wrote:

Where someone got their degree from has absolutely nothing to do with their level of insanity.

Possibly not. On the other hand, it's safe to say that you would probably need to be a bit more level-headed to graduate from Harvard as opposed to Cal State San Bernadino.

No, it's not safe to say that at all. Graduating from these schools or not has nothing to do with level-headedness or sanity.

Gonna be a doper

ntrsjrd wrote:

No, it's not safe to say that at all. Graduating from these schools or not has nothing to do with level-headedness or sanity.

You can't even use the message board's quote system without butchering it. Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

consider the source wrote:

ntrsjrd wrote:

No, it's not safe to say that at all. Graduating from these schools or not has nothing to do with level-headedness or sanity.

You can't even use the message board's quote system without butchering it. Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

Irrelevant and incorrect conclusion.

ntrsjrd wrote:

Irrelevant and incorrect conclusion.

I'm quite certain that it is correct. That fact that you can't master such a simple concept speaks volumes about your remedial analytical capabilities.

Beyond that, it's still relevant. Your straw man conclusions are either complete nonsense, or you're trolling. Either way, that still reflects directly upon you.

consider the source wrote:

ntrsjrd wrote:

Irrelevant and incorrect conclusion.

I'm quite certain that it is correct. That fact that you can't master such a simple concept speaks volumes about your remedial analytical capabilities.

Beyond that, it's still relevant. Your straw man conclusions are either complete nonsense, or you're trolling. Either way, that still reflects directly upon you.

No, you're entirely incorrect. Trying to link my analytical capabilities to my message board skills is what's actually remedial.

And what straw man conclusions? Mental stability and levelheadedness has absolutely nothing to do with the difference of graduating from Harvard vs whichever other school was listed. That is a perfectly valid and true conclusion.

For what it's worth, Lohan is not the person who compared Shannon to Natalie Portmann. The comment was made by the gossip writer who reported that Lohan and Shannon had met.

Whaty what? wrote:

DOJeez states...."Alberto said Hasay had to sign with NIKE before she could train with NOP..."

Huh? Where do you get such misinformation from? As an insider, I know for a fact that you don't have to sign a contract with NIKE before you can train with NOP. You simply must pay for all your expenses. More importantly, NOP and Alberto must want you first.

Hasay had to sign with Nike because she was turning professional, which meant, in her situation, that she would have a shoe contract, and AS's contract (he works for Nike) prohibits him from coaching an athlete who is signed to a company that competes with Nike. Cain, on the other hand, is not a professional athlete; she has no relationship to a company that competes with Nike--hence AS is free to work for her as an independent contractor (coach). This isn't so hard to figure out, you know.

DOJeez wrote:

ntrsjrd wrote:

To make sure they are actually training and getting the best care and injury prevention. Nike contracts aren't a charity gift. It's a two way street.

It looks more like Nike has taken a page out of Microsoft's anti-competitive playbook. Alberto said Hasay had to sign with Nike before she could train with NOP. Curious that Cain did not have to do this. Of course Nike knew that Cain's parents would not play its game. Few athletes have that leverage.

What Salazar means is that Hasay would have to run for NIKE if she were to join NOP. That is to say, a professional runner cannot have a contract with another shoe company and run for NOP. On the other hand, any runner can train with NOP as long as 1)Alberto wants them, 2)they don't have a contract with another shoe company, 3)run in NIKE gear, and 4)pay all their own expenses. But, what professional runner is going to do this when they can be receiving a salary and have all their expenses paid.

RuKiddingMe!! wrote:

this is why I come to letsrun....fan of Shannon....I hope she can finally break 2,4,and 15

Gosh, I've been thinking this too. I mean she's fast as hell, but it would be heart breaking for me to be that close to a barrier and not be under.

NAWW wrote:

God No!!! I actually like Shannon Rowbury, I hate NOP and all their "thyroid meds and tues are not quite cheating" attitude

Same here. She's my favorite, and has trained for so long already, such a great independent athlete. Feels a little like she's selling her soul to Nike and AlSal's techno-coaching.

Brianruns10 wrote:

Feels a little like she's selling her soul to Nike and AlSal's techno-coaching.

drama queen

I'm officially cleaning off all the " tribute" pictures I have of her hanging in my basement.

Bleu wrote:Seems like a good match. Sal fits her talents but Shannon always speaks in interviews about her love for CA and her home training. I know she took camp trips but for the most part lived a normal life outside of running. All that is about to change. NOP is like college. That team spends a lot of time away and the schedule doesn't appear very flexible.

mo luved living/training in london & he was 27'30+ calibre as a result

he made the move to kenya & got down to 27-flat calibre

he made his final move to eugene & now 26'30 calibre

MO was an Adidas athlete when he started training with Alberto.

Does not fit into the MUST be Nike argument.

[quote]Montesquieu wrote:

Hasay had to sign with Nike because she was turning professional, which meant, in her situation, that she would have a shoe contract, and AS's contract (he works for Nike) prohibits him from coaching an athlete who is signed to a company that competes with Nike. Cain, on the other hand, is not a professional athlete; she has no relationship to a company that competes with Nike--hence AS is free to work for her as an independent contractor (coach). This isn't so hard to figure out, you know.[quote]

Here is Ken Goe:

"I asked Nike Oregon Project coach Alberto Salazar how interested he would be in adding Hasay to his group.

"The short answer: very interested.

"'I'm hopeful, I would say that,' Salazar said. 'But she would have to sign a contract with Nike first.'"

You and I seem to have different understandings of Alberto's statement. Yours is benign. Mine is not.

If Alberto is truly independent of Nike as an "independent contractor" why would he not want a seamless transition for Hasay to the NOP even before she signed with Nike if there was to be a contract delay? My take on this is that Nike told Alberto that Hasay was not to spend one day, one hour, one f*cking minute with NOP and him as coach unless and until the Hasays agree to a contract on Nike's terms and sign it. Certainly discussions had been going on between the Hasays and Nike competitors. Nike wanted to play hardball and stack the deck against its competitors. Nike was saying to the Hasays the back and forth discussion of terms of the contract are over. You are free to choose but you've got our terms. Take them or Jordan can pack her bags for Colorado or China or wherever the hell you want her to go.

Salazar is nominally an independent contractor coaching Cain. She is compelled to wear either Nike products or risk being cut or neglected by Salazar. The Chinese Wall between Nike and Alberto Salazar, independent contractor, is tissue thin. When Cain ran for Bronxville she taped her shoelaces because Bronxville's coach has all his athletes do this. The tape happened to cover Nike's logo if she wore Nike shoes. Cain did not stop taping her shoes after she ceased running for Bronxville. She stopped when Salazar asked her to stop. Nike tentacles run deep. A photo of Cain taken with her sitting (and sunning) on the Bronxville track in a glamorous pose, her near leg outstretched and her other leg bent at the knee had one prominent feature: the Nike logo on the outside of her left shoe -- and her shoes looked like they had just come fresh out of the Nike box. The photograph was taken with the camera at or near ground level. Shoes not taped. The focus of the composition was the Nike logo, and it was obviously taken by a professional photographer. (I have been in fine art photography shows in New York and Boston, and I know what goes into making a seemingly casual photograph.) A few days later I looked for that photograph again on the internet because its blatant commercial intent shocked me. It had disappeared. Someone had decided it was obvious Mary was posing for Nike, and that would have called into question her amateur status. I think Mary's father saw it and became uneasy -- or went ballistic. He is Vice Chair, Compliance and Regulatory Affairs, for a division at CUMC (Columbia University Medical College) and must be hypersensitive to objectionable practices. My guess is Dr. Cain had a few sharp words with Alberto over that stunt and told Alberto to make damn sure Nike no longer would try to exploit his daughter.

When Mary enters college and runs for her school Dr. Cain will probably be pleased some separation between Alberto and Mary is taking place. I have doubts the Salazar/Nike connection with Mary Cain and parents is all sweetness and light.

"This is the guy trying to take over your father's company, and all you can say is 'mmmm, he seems like a nice guy' "

Fugitive from a chain gang wrote:

If this is true, I think it supports NOP being clean. I can't imagine Rowbury being mixed up in shady stuff.

I've felt the same way about Ritz and Hasay. They both strike me as people who would not be involved in questionable stuff.

not sayin anything specific about these people, just sayin that for the most part we don't know jack about athletes personal lives...