Jordan Hasay: 4 second improvement in FIVE YEARS?!

The OP criticizes Oregon for not developing Jordan in the 1500 meters. I don't criticize Oregon at all for her 4 second improvement in the 1500. That is about as much as she had in her. I criticize Oregon for waiting 3 1/2 years to move her up to 10,000 meters. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Hasay's best race in college would be 10,000 meters. Ok, so maybe you don't move her up during her freshman year. But you certainly prepare her for the adjustment by making her a 5,000 meter specialist during her freshman year, and then moving her up to 10,000 at the start of her sophomore year.

The Oregon argument of, "Hey, look at how many times Jordan has been All American" doesn't fly because she came into Oregon her Freshman year with All American times. She should have been an All American from day 1 at Oregon.

The Ducks have done a good job with Hasay. Other schools like Stanford and UCLA would have made a mess of the situation. But the Ducks certainly were late in moving her up to 10,000 meters.

Obviously, you're lacking one.

smarttoo wrote:

Obviously, you're lacking one.

Why the animosity? All I did was ask a question. Can you not answer it?

This question about the optimality of college training regimes has been raised many times and not just with regard to Jordan Hasay. If your training program is constrained by successive 3 month competition cycles (XC and track), are you able to improve over the entire 4 years of college? We don't have many good examples of world class runners in the NCAA who manage to continuously improve during their collegiate careers. Our pro runners prefer longer intervals between intense competitions - that may be what is not available to runners like Hasay during their college years.

alanson wrote:

If your training program is constrained by successive 3 month competition cycles (XC and track), are you able to improve over the entire 4 years of college?

We have a BINGO moment.

Coupled with Ms. Hasay's willingness to be a "team player," essentially running herself into the ground for points, it's no surprise that she has failed to live up to the unrealistic expectations of the fan boys.

Oregon has done a good job of allowing her to explore/figure out who she is as a runner, both physically and psychologically.

It is nice to see that she is running happy again (thanks Alexi). Her post-collegiate career should be interesting and, hopefully, successful.

4:14=32:51

32:06=4:08

4:14-4:08=6

4x60=240 240+14=254

254x.06= approx. 15 seconds

She should be running 3:59 by now.

4:08-3:59=9

Oregon has failed in developing her by about 9 seconds.

vvvb wrote:

smarttoo wrote:

Obviously, you're lacking one.

Why the animosity? All I did was ask a question. Can you not answer it?

You've heard the saying 'there is no such thing as a stupid question', right?

You just proved it false.

llort wrote:

vvvb wrote:

Why the animosity? All I did was ask a question. Can you not answer it?

You've heard the saying 'there is no such thing as a stupid question', right?

You just proved it false.

How? Why can neither of you answer a simple question? We are discussing a runner's athletic performance. What does her brain have to do with any of that and why would it be more important if it's irrelevant to the subject of this thread?

Jordan Assay wrote:

She's been healthy her entire college career, yet has only run 4:10 after running 4:14 in 2008. And just recently she just finished 5th at Pac 12's.

She seems like she has a great work ethic and head on her shoulders, so it doesn't reflect well on Oregon to have her barely improve during college despite staying healthy the whole time.

I am assuming you are a troll looking for food and although I shouldn't, I will give you a few nibbles.

For a female, a 4 second improvement in the 1500 is not bad; look at the list of H.S. girls who run the mile in the mid-4:40s and don't get into the 30s until their senior year. Obviously the faster you run, the smaller margin you have for improvement; Jordan had an opportunity to run a fast 1500 that most H.S. athletes don't get. Also, it depends on what ultimately focus on, Meb, Teg, Hall, Ritz, Solinski, Rupp and Derrick, on average they only improved their 1500 by about 4-5 seconds over their H.S. performance.

...not that Jordan needs any defending

Look at today! More proof that Oregon ruined one of the greatest talents in US history.

TrackCoach wrote:

Also, it depends on what ultimately focus on, Meb, Teg, Hall, Ritz, Solinski, Rupp and Derrick, on average they only improved their 1500 by about 4-5 seconds over their H.S. performance.

Are you sure about that? I don't think Rupp was much faster than a 4:05 guy and now he's run 3:50 (indoors). Teg has run 3:34 - was he really a 3:38/39 guy (~3:56-7 miler) is high school?

Ritz and Hall have barely touched the 1500m/mile since high school - Ritz would certainly have been a low-3:50s guy when he ran his 8:11, and he could never have broken 4:00 in high school.

Solinsky has run 3:35 - was he a 3:58 HS miler?

I don't know much about Derrick. Meb improved considerably over 5k/10k, I bet his 1500m would have improved by more than 5 seconds if that was his specialty.

I'll give you Hall and Derrick. But neither of them are mile specialists. The other guys, no way.

kartelite wrote:

Are you sure about that? I don't think Rupp was much faster than a 4:05 guy

LOL!

Trollist wrote:

kartelite wrote:

Are you sure about that? I don't think Rupp was much faster than a 4:05 guy

LOL!

Okay I looked it up - 4:01.8. I knew he was somewhere between 4:01-4:04...what's your point?

Rupp never focused on the mile as his main event. Jordan's been trying to run it for 4 years now.

Heard she moved on to a private coach very similar to one she's had in the past. I think he's jewish and smart and grumpy and quick and has a good sense of humor and he likes cats.

observant12 wrote:

She's still only 21 (hard to believe). With college out of the way, not running for points, and with the right coach, watch her times improve dramatically. Jordan is just touching the tip of her potential.

This is correct. Running in college take a lot out of an athlete. The main goal is to score points in college. Let's wait and see what does after college. I think she will improve. She is a great asset for track and field and hope things work out for her.

10k MAN wrote:

she did just run a pretty good 10k recently. Her focus this year isn't pac 12s as she'll be running the 5 or 10 at ncaas.

OUCH! JH won't be running the 10k at NCAAs.

I wonder how hasey will run at the next level. Def not a 1500 type she has no wheels.

Now with the 10K disaster at Regionals I wonder how mentally she is into all this. Pretty amazing.

The 4 or 5 years at Oregon have been steady but hardly "worldly". She runs 15:45 5 K and is 30 seconds behind the leaders. Doesn't seem to have the next gear at any distance