In UK, English Schools records can only be set in English Schools National Championships held annually in mid July.
All other performances would count as National Junior records (i.e. Under 20 years of age on the last day of year of competition).
In UK, English Schools records can only be set in English Schools National Championships held annually in mid July.
All other performances would count as National Junior records (i.e. Under 20 years of age on the last day of year of competition).
Not unfair to any other high school runners. Who else, (provide names) has that type of skill level (Sub 14 5K skills) that were cheated or treated unfairly?
Agreed.
Rupp is 1337
Cinderfella wrote:
Yes, and he was shot 17 times during that run.
Well, he did go to Rogers.....
Thank God someone else responded like this!! Thank you!!
Lindgren was better wrote:
I am also uncomfortable with Rupp's records, but can't really put my finger on the exact reason. I guess it's because Lindgren and Ritz did it the old-fashioned way, on their own running on a high school team, more in the spirit of what my own high school situation was like: a bunch of guys sign up for a team, some run a lot, some run a little, and the coach may or may not know what he's doing. You all meet up with other similar teams every once in a while for a race. Amateurism just seems to be what I like most about high school sports, and so all this professional training and special race set-ups going on with Rupp doesn't sit well with me.
Personally, I consider the high school season over when the high school championships have been held. After that, it's club running, and that's not the same as high school.
Spirit? Who cares about spirit when it has led our sport into disgrace. Rupp has proved that training independently of scholastic coaching is far superior. Had Rupp trained under the philosophy of his high school program then one can safely say that he'd be no better off than Withrow.
Incidentally, when EXACTLY is the end of the high school season?
Perhaps a bonafide national high school championship in late June would serve as a solid cutoff?
The NFHS does not recognize Rupp's record anyway so what is the big deal?
It shouldn't be a high school record if you already graduated. I don't see how anyone can agrue other wise. Yest the kid ran a great race but he isn't in high school any more. Common sense will tell you that
Only in America would we be having a gripe session about high school records. Let it go and be happy that an 18 year old AMERICAN just ran 13:37 and could be poised for much bigger things.
Webb, Rupp, Ritz (get healthy!), and a few others are leading the march back to respectability and giving young runners inspiration. Enjoy it and stop getting hung up on meanlingless esoterica you "glass half-empty" types.
Hey don't you read there is no HS 5000 meter record. The NFHS is the record keeper of HS athletics and it does not have a 5000 meter record, end of story.
Hey man, what's up with the castration photo on a running board? Nasty
Galen's effort is really impressive, and reality is a ton of HS records and top ten all-time performances from years past in all events have been accomplished during the summer competitions. Think of all the sprinters/hurdlers over the years that have made JR teams or even Olympic teams at the end of their HS years and set records on both men and women's sides. Most colleges also allow seniors who compete during the summer in their nationals championships or for their OLY teams to count as records or make top 10 lists until the following school year begins. We just happen to have a 'spring' sport that if you are good enough, can carry you into the summer. Majority of our national championship or quality meets are held in June, July and August. Wasn't there just a major JO meet being held this past week out in Eugene where well over 5600 kids just competed on our own soil and there were entering college freshman competing in that meet. He is just good enough and offered an opportunity to be racing in Europe...Lindgren represented our country during that same time, and like mentioned, Ritz was 'given' a bye into our USATF senior nationals, because he had a shot at the record. Fair is fair based on years and years! GREAT JOB to our new youth movement and give cudos to those stepping out of the norm of going onto college first, lets see how this system works!
it was on another thread and I picked it up to save it sorry. never know when you need a nasty picture. it did not belong here
you sick son of a bitch
In high school, you sign up for your high school team and let the chips fall where they may. If you want to go through your youth doing special training and flying all around the world, go ahead. Have fun. Enjoy yourself. But don't count any record you might set as a high school record. It wasn't done at the high school.
It's sort of like a choice one makes when they leave the NCAA and go pro. Webb is college aged, but he is not going to set an NCAA record, because he no longer runs for a college team. Why should highschool have lower standards in this sort of thing than the NCAA does?
I have nothing against Rupp. He's great and has a great future. I just disagree with calling a record set outside of high school (both trained and raced out of high school) as the high school record. I'm fine with having age group records, and Rupp probably gets that for 18 year olds (US).
Rupp is unbelievable, I think the record should count just because their are too many technicalities but when compared to Lindengren, Ritz, Ryun, Pre I don't think his times are as impressive even though they are faster. I'm not goin to hate on Rupp because he happened to walk into one of the best coaches around that happens to have many connections such as with Nike. I mean come on, Rupp didn't really run in highschool, the only meets he went to were all like either nationals for highschoolers or kids under 20 or they were pro meets, some specially organized for Rupp. Also he is basically sponsored by Nike too, his highschool uniform he wears is custom made, not even Arkansas or Stanford has custom uniforms like that, he also gets spikes before they are even released and I'm sure he doesn't ahve to pay for any of it. He has an underwater treadmill......Ritz ran his times running like 2 meets a week with 4 races each. Rupp ran the time so he deserves it but I still like Ritz and Lindengren over Rupp as my personal favorites. Getting free Nike gear won't make him better, thats not what I'm saying I'm just saying he gets WAY more special treatment probably than any US highschool runner ever (ie doing 200 meter repeats at the Nike headquarts when the weather was bad) Maybe if I could take shelter at the Nike headquarters to do speedwork in the winter and run on an underwater treadmill for 1/3 of my mileage I wouldn't have gotten injured my senior year of track.
The US HS Nat' Record was set in the boys triple jump this week too, kid jumped 54'10'' w/ a 56'02''w. No one is complaining about that anywhere.
Maybe, just maybe, people should take note of two of the greatest success stories this year (Rupp + Webb) and look at what they are doing.
Rupp has taken a more professional attitude towards his training and racing than most high schoolers. It has paid off with a 13:37. Now I agree most high schoolers can't get Alberto to coach them, but it can't be very beneficial to run the 3200, 1600 and 800m twice a week in duel meets either.