I know the Gouchers tried to sell their home and move to San Diego but could not due to the economy. Maybe they can try again this year.
I know the Gouchers tried to sell their home and move to San Diego but could not due to the economy. Maybe they can try again this year.
dsrunner wrote:
there was no slump; that myth is manufactured and actually a fairly big lie.
demographics:
you had a baby boom in the US and those kids grew up competed up through the early 90's...and those baby boomers had some offspring who also have a peak. we're seeing the second boom. 350 million people now in the US now versus 175 million or so when Pre graduated from HS. I am counting immigrant population here, of course, documented and otherwise all of which adds greatly to our talent pool.
faster runners tackling longer distances:
up until the 2000's it was quite rare to see a sub 3:56 miler in the 10000m for the US or anywhere else for that matter. Rupp and Solinsky as ~3:50 milers have a distinct advantage over a 4-4:02 miler in the 10000m, roughly a 2sec/lap at minimum advantage and this primarily due to speed-side, not stamina per se. Solinsky was on Lagat's heels for a few seasons before he applied that speed development to the 10000m.
Bekele runs less miles than Viren but at their best, Bekele laps Viren quite easily. The explanation is found speed-side.
The first US runner to break 28:00 in 10000m would have had a hard time running 12.3sec for 100m with a running start. Rupp can run 11sec for 100m with a running start.
Goucher was successful because he was faster than the guys who ran distances for the US in the 90's -- but tough as he was he was never fast enough at shorter distances to approach 27 flat for 10000m just as those stars from the 90's were never going to go much sub 27:20 whatever the training volume, whatever the willingness to hurt.
one of the halfway intelligent responses on the thread
olume, whatever the willingness to hurt.[/quote]
one of the halfway intelligent responses on the thread[/quote]
No mention of PEDS....another fool.
dsrunner wrote:
there was no slump; that myth is manufactured and actually a fairly big lie.
Others in this thread have disproven this nonsense, no need to address it again here.There was indeed a slump, and it was the result of inadequate training volume.
Goucher was successful because he was faster than the guys who ran distances for the US in the 90's -- but tough as he was he was never fast enough at shorter distances to approach 27 flat for 10000m just as those stars from the 90's were never going to go much sub 27:20 whatever the training volume, whatever the willingness to hurt.[/quote]
At the time of Goucher's best 10000s of 27:59 each, his PRs were 3:54/7:34. At the time of his 26:48, Rupp's PRs were 3:57/7:42. You will have to look elswhere for your "magic bullet". It was certainly not "speed at shorter distances". Goucher struggled with anything close to 100 miles/week, whereas Rupp now runs 110 to 120, with lots of auxiliary treadmill work, etc..
Fail. Better luck next thread.
Factual Fail Is You wrote:
dsrunner wrote:there was no slump; that myth is manufactured and actually a fairly big lie.
Others in this thread have disproven this nonsense, no need to address it again here.There was indeed a slump, and it was the result of inadequate training volume.
Goucher was successful because he was faster than the guys who ran distances for the US in the 90's -- but tough as he was he was never fast enough at shorter distances to approach 27 flat for 10000m just as those stars from the 90's were never going to go much sub 27:20 whatever the training volume, whatever the willingness to hurt.
At the time of Goucher's best 10000s of 27:59 each, his PRs were 3:54/7:34. At the time of his 26:48, Rupp's PRs were 3:57/7:42. You will have to look elswhere for your "magic bullet". It was certainly not "speed at shorter distances". Goucher struggled with anything close to 100 miles/week, whereas Rupp now runs 110 to 120, with lots of auxiliary treadmill work, etc..
Factual Fail. Better luck next thread.[/quote]
(((At the time of Goucher's best 10000s of 27:59 each, his PRs were 3:54/7:34. At the time of his 26:48, Rupp's PRs were 3:57/7:42. You will have to look elswhere for your "magic bullet". It was certainly not "speed at shorter distances". Goucher struggled with anything close to 100 miles/week, whereas Rupp now runs 110 to 120, with lots of auxiliary treadmill work, etc..)))
So, you honestly believe that PEDS has played no role in the improvement of distance performances? You may have missed it, being busy with the holidays, the new year etc...but Lance Armstrong just admitted PED use....did you miss it, or are you dumb, or do you think track guys are "above" such cheating?
You gotta remember Goucher bashed Wetmore when he left him. He stated something to the effect he couldn't run for a coach who didn't believe in him. That was at the time Goucher was injured and could not get healthy.
This who he is and what he does.
"ungulate Adam Goucher"
//,ql; wrote:
So, you honestly believe that PEDS has played no role in the improvement of distance performances? You may have missed it, being busy with the holidays, the new year etc...but Lance Armstrong just admitted PED use....did you miss it, or are you dumb, or do you think track guys are "above" such cheating?
Rojo?
disappointer of trolls wrote:
Kara and Adam have not read these boards in many years.
This will piss off some wrote:Calm down there, Adam. It's a thread on the Internet!
Having trouble picking up on the ol' sarcasm aren't ya, buddy??
The name of this thread is "Adam Goucher Slams Salazar".
But at the front page of letsrun.com its called:
"Adam Goucher regrets coaching switch to Salazar"
What the f*ck?
Wetmore is a genius coach
Salazar is a mad scientist minus the degree
The Animal Within wrote:
Regarding Goucher, Wetmore had it right. He was a Fararri in a VW Chassis. Poor guy had constant injury problems, if he wasn't so fragile sub 12:50 and sub 27 was his potential for sure.
No it wasn't. He was a B-list guy who ran like a B-list guy. Looks like some of you Gen-X'ers are still starry-eyed over this chode for some reason.
XV86757 wrote:
10000m.
(((Bekele runs less miles than Viren but at their best, Bekele laps Viren quite easily. The explanation is found speed-side.)))
Has this idiot missed the whole Barry Bonds, Lance Armstrong, Alex Rodgiguez, Mariion Jones, Ben Johnson thing of the last 30 yrs in sports.... The last group of althletes given a free pass on PEDs is the African distance runner for 3 reasons:
1. nobody cares about T&F as it has already been destroyed by druggies
2. Nike is the main sponsor of the sport. You don't mess with Nike.
3. exposing poor, indigent 3rd worlders supposedly reeks of raciism.
Typical right winger white boy who can't accept that black africans routinely destroy white american and europeans at ALL distance in running. If this bothers you so much, find a new sport to watch like hockey or golf (though try not to watch when Tiger is playing).
(and your logic is completely idiotic. First, you support your premise that the africans are all on drugs with the point that.....the africans are all on drugs ("T&F..has been destroyed by druggies"). And you also say that nobody cares about the sport. if so... then why not clean it up?? It's not like ticket sales or fans will dwindle if Bekele and Geb (and Bolt) get busted, right? If nobody cares, then where's the harm in nailing those guys? It can't sink a sport that is already sunk, especially one that has been sunk BY DRUG USE (according to you).
Stop with your right wing fantasy conspiracies. )
Stop with your right wing fantasy conspiracies. )[/quote]
You are delusional. The Kenyans are horrible at every sport except distance running BUT IN YOUR OPINION, this makes them better athletes than whites?????? Take a look at: soccer,swimming, golf, tennis, baseball, football, basketball, hockey, cycling, ALL the other Summer Olympic sports.......no Kenyans!!!....black athletes from America yes, but Kenyans as athletes suck (except for distance running)....and don't give me that "small" country B.S. Kenya has 43 million people -- the size of a typical Euro country but where's the results?
dsrunner wrote:
Bekele runs less miles than Viren but at their best, Bekele laps Viren quite easily. The explanation is found speed-side.
The first US runner to break 28:00 in 10000m would have had a hard time running 12.3sec for 100m with a running start. Rupp can run 11sec for 100m with a running start.
No, you idiot, the difference is speed endurance not speed. Bekele and Farah are not fast over 100m
When are you going to learn basic coaching lore for distance runners?
disappointer of trolls wrote: Kara and Adam have not read these boards in many years.
And you know this for a fact because? Are you Adam, or Kara?
Word association: what is the first thing that comes into your mind when I say.......BARRY BONDS......BEKELE!!!
(winner, winner, chicken dinner.)
You must be smoking some good shit.Goucher won the 12K and 4K at USATF XC Nationals over Meb / Culpepper in about 2000. Didn't he wreck Meb and Abdi at 1998 NCAA cross by almost a minute?A 7:34 3K at Monaco in 2001. 6th at World cross.Feel free to make an even bigger idiot out of yourself and try to explain what's B-list about that.
Koneko wrote:
The Animal Within wrote:Regarding Goucher, Wetmore had it right. He was a Fararri in a VW Chassis. Poor guy had constant injury problems, if he wasn't so fragile sub 12:50 and sub 27 was his potential for sure.
No it wasn't. He was a B-list guy who ran like a B-list guy. Looks like some of you Gen-X'ers are still starry-eyed over this chode for some reason.
For once a Duck has it right. I know for a fact the Gouchers never read these boards and nor do many of the elite runners. If it gives you a chub to think they do com here, go ahead and pretend you are right. I know better. You are one of those outsiders who doesn't know much of anything.
look in the mirror, troll wrote:
disappointer of trolls wrote: Kara and Adam have not read these boards in many years.And you know this for a fact because? Are you Adam, or Kara?