If hypothyroidism is so rare then why do all of Salazar's athletes getting therapeutic exemptions for it?

DontFeedTheTroll wrote:

Sub-clinical hypothyroidism is more common than that. It's also quite possible that a degree of hypothyroidism that is simple not relevant to the general population is more of a big deal to the elites, who want their bodies to be working at 100%.

Sub-clinical hypotestosteronism is more common than that. It's also quite possible that a degree of hypotestosteronism that is simply not relevant to the general population is more of a big deal to the elites, who want their bodies to be working at 100%.

Get it?

There was absolutely such article. I'm not accusing Goucher of anything illegal, but I do want to read the article again. It is from before the start of the Daily Camera's online archive.

Goucher used blood transfusions to get over a persistent case of anemia. Do you think that is in dispute?

I always questioned whether that was a violation of anybody's rules or if it falls under the therapeutic exemptions policies.

That's the connection to this conversation.

I'm wondering if this is a practice that Goucher is still using or if it ended after her college transfusions.

Is it really possible to be a med school prof with such a horrible grasp of ethics?

med school professor wrote:

The conclusion is that we seem to actually be agreeing with each other that the chances are quite low, and thus strange, that multiple young healthy men in one single training group would be diagnosed as hypothyroid.

Again I will say, I do not know if others in the group are have been diagnosed as hypothyroid or are using thyroid medication. The intimation has been made multiple times in this thread and in the past on this discussion board.

There may be a connection between thyroid and altitude... Google it.

Salazar's team is def into "sleep high, train low." Some research shows that altitude may exacerbate borderline conditions.

We still don't have an answer to the question of who else besides Rupp is hypothyroid.

Also, if you look at family history of hypothyroidism, the stats go way up in the likelihood of having it.

Knowing whether it runs in a family would be key to knowing if it it being diagnosed for reasons other than medical care.

Which Salazar athletes have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism?

exercise induced asthma is very rare, but common among XC skiers.

perhaps thyroid is common among high mileage runners???

Canova>God wrote:

Which Salazar athletes have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism?

If it is just rupp, then there is no basis to the accusations.

Thank you for continuing to help ask this question. Notice that no one will answer it. They'd much rather trade in innuendo and rumor than address facts.

Canova>God wrote:

Which Salazar athletes have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism?

I agree that is why I am asking. I have heard of Rupp which does not seem like that big of a deal. If everyone of his athletes had it I would find that very suspicious.

I suspect many distance runners develop hypothyroidism and are not aware of it. I know multiple distance runners in my small town that have thyroid issues. I'm just a 15:30 5k guy running 50-60 MPW. In my mid-twenties, I started bonking at the end of easy runs, and I could not recover. I'm not talking about general fatigue, soreness, or anything like that. My body felt completely depleted. Blood work showed that I have hypothyroidism. I have taken Levothroxin every morning for 10 years. Now, I don't feel like I hit the wall everyday, though like all distance runners, some efforts kick my butt quite handily. I run around the same times I did as when I started the medication, but to be honest, age has made my recovery much slower and my speedwork is embarrassing. There's probably a reason thyroid medications are not banned: they don't enhance performance like some of you seem to think.

I always thought that thyroid medication was used as a masking agent for other PEDs and not as a performance enhancer itself. Can anyone clarify that? Why would an athlete take thyroid medication if they don't truly have a thyroid condition.

Inside Out wrote:

Canova>God wrote:

Which Salazar athletes have been diagnosed with hypothyroidism?

If it is just rupp, then there is no basis to the accusations.

I don't have a horse in this race, and I don't follow this stuff all that much,but I do remember Adam Goucher starting thyroid medication after joining Salazar.

Huh, what? wrote:

I always thought that thyroid medication was used as a masking agent for other PEDs and not as a performance enhancer itself. Can anyone clarify that? Why would an athlete take thyroid medication if they don't truly have a thyroid condition.

Thyroid medication is just the beginning. The thyroid hormones are inextricably linked to the pituitary and hypothalamus, all of which produce hormones necessary to growth, strength and metabolism. As someone else said, once you push one button the other buttons need pushing too.

From the pituitary:

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH)

Follicle-Stimulating Hormone (FSH)

Luteinizing Hormone (LH) responsible for secreting testosterone (get where they are going yet?)

Growth Hormone (HGH)

ACTH — the adrenocorticotropic hormone (also involved in testosterone production)

From the hypothalamus:

Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) (also involved in testosterone production)

Corticotropin-releasing hormone (CRH) acts to release ACTH

Thyroid hormones are not "masking agents". Bodybuilders who take steroids or HGH upset the balance of the other hormones in the body. The body senses too much here so it tries to balance things by cutting back on secretions of complimentary hormones elsewhere which will eventually wreck the body. Along comes modern science so that doctors who are monitoring androgenic/anabolic hormones will also manipulate and restore FSH, TSH, CRH etc. to their normal levels.

If i recall, Bob Kennedy was also diagnosed with hypothyroidism and he didn't run for salazar. nobody ever accused him of being doped.

Isn't a side effect for prolonged use of Advair (Corticosteroids) able to cause hypothyroidism?

YEP, it is a side effect:

http://asthma.emedtv.com/advair/advair-side-effects-p2.html

http://www.advair.com/asthma/about-advair/risks-and-side-effects/asthma-side-effects.html

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Question is, which one is a performance enhancer, or are both able to improve performance.

What thyroid hormones are banned?

You can use this site to check on banned substances and it does not list l-thyroxine, thyroid stimulating hormone or even dessicated thyroid as being banned.

http://www.globaldro.com/

Typical Never Was wrote:

In my mid-twenties, I started bonking at the end of easy runs, and I could not recover. I'm not talking about general fatigue, soreness, or anything like that. My body felt completely depleted. Blood work showed that I have hypothyroidism. I have taken Levothroxin every morning for 10 years. Now, I don't feel like I hit the wall everyday...There's probably a reason thyroid medications are not banned: they don't enhance performance like some of you seem to think.

I think the description of your experience is the definition of performance enhancement. Do you think you could have maintained your times without thyroid medications? If no, then hasn't it enhanced your performance for the past 10 years?

The slippery slope here is that these drugs allow someone to achieve something that they would physically be unable to achieve without them. It may not matter whether they would enhance the performance of a healthy individual or not.

Logical Man wrote:

AlSal is like the Rolls Royce of coqches... they are going to have every health thing checked. I have slight hypothyroidism, which I didn't know until a blood test for an unrelated reason. I doubt all of the working class runners are that diligent to get blood tests, pay for meds, or willing to take meds. I try to stay away from meds as mufh as I can.

Alsal is like the Rolls Royce of c@ck cheese?