Exactly. If Rupp wasn't actually a very popular runner, there would be no reason for the hate-response.
"thanks to all the haters I know G4 pilots on a first name basis..."
Exactly. If Rupp wasn't actually a very popular runner, there would be no reason for the hate-response.
"thanks to all the haters I know G4 pilots on a first name basis..."
kudzurunner wrote:
reading 101 wrote:can't wait until rupp runs sub 12:50 and makes all his haters eat sh*t.
I'd say rupp can go as low as 12:48 about right now.
Rupp has been training with Farah. The key thing is, he's not afraid of the African runners. This doesn't mean that he doesn't respect them. He clearly does--and has to. But I see no evidence that he's suffering from any sort of mental hold-back. Beating Lagat at Pre, the way he did, says loads about just how ready he is.
At this point, nothing would surprise me--including (you heard it here first) Rupp winning gold in one of the two finals that I strongly believe he'll make.
He has arrived at this point in the face of long and merciless mockery about every element of who he is, how he looks, what advantages he's supposedly had. How many threads on this forum have savaged him for his (supposed) s-xuality, idiotic grins, altitude tents, god knows what.
He's soldiered on. He's met or exceeded almost every expectation. Unlike Webb, he doesn't seem to have played any head games with himself. At this point, he's not only our best shot for a medal, but he's postioned himself to be taken seriously by his East African competitors without having run such fast times that he's made himself a marked man.
The truth is, nobody really knows WHAT Rupp's upside is. And that is just terrific, going into the Olympics.
Be prepared to be stunned, is all I can say. Be prepared for a blacked-out LR homepage. I'm really looking forward to this.
Fabulous post! I would say that I think a few of us have stated now that he could actually win gold. I just can't wait until we get down to those final laps where some of the top runners in the world are cracking and rupp still has running left in his legs. My neighbors are going to be wondering what the hell is going on because I will be absolutely screaming, "Go Rupp!"
For all the crap this guy took over the years, this guy deserves his day. The fact that he's heading into the olympics against some of the very best runners in the history of distance running and has a real shot a medal, including the big one, in two events, is unreal.
The tens of 1000's of hours of detailed, meticulous, dedication and preparation is paying off in a big way. Ohh & Mo Farah, thank you for being an awesome person and probably the best training partner in the world! We Americans owe you a beer or two.
If the race is like 13:30, will rupp be able to outkick people?
David Rudisha wrote:
If the race is like 13:30, will rupp be able to outkick people?
If you are referring to the 5K (and not the split on the 10K) which I'm sure you are, the answer in my mind is yes he possibly could be it will be an absolute nightmare for all involved. That is the toughest scenario for Rupp, not because of the sheer speed of the kick, but because of the madness over the last 800. Keep in mind if it ends in 13:30, it's more like a 13:45 pace with a blaster finish. If it's 13:30 pace then it probably finishes at 13:1X-13:20.
Either case would mean 9-12 guys still there with 2 laps to go and a lot of running in there legs and it will not be a straight line to the finish. All kinds of jostling and position changes and you better get up front and maintain position or you can get stuck and dropped out the back.
I really hope we don't see either of these scenarios unfold but it is possible.
How is a slow race worse for Rupp? He closed in 52, beating Lagat, in a slow race. In a fast race, he closed in 58, losing to Farah and Koech. I would think that he would be dreaming of a slow race.
rupp can run with these guys no problem and all the way.
shit he's beat several of those sub 12:50 guys and has seemingly gotten sharper too.
that fast 5000k is throwing every body for a loop. the conditions had rabbiting (by a couple of guys) and allowed great drafting by the most of the field. mid pack woudl be best.
these races come along only once in a while.
you 16 guys that can go sub 13, running as a precise peloton.
even the guys that are in the perfect race often don't understand their times. some guys run 331 (out of nowhere) and think they are 331 men legit. then they go out in a normal race and run 334 and cannot figure out what is wrong.... when all the while those two efforts are equivalent due to something called... conditions.
guys in this race did not just draft off on dude, but several, all the way, with no wind.
this allowed 61 and 62 second laps to feel like 63 and 64.
while at the prefontaine classic, that 61 second effort yielded a 62 or 63 second lap.
at the end of the day, i'm going to go with farah - rupp - beklele for the 10k.
and rupp for 3-5 in the 5k.
ryan foreman wrote:
Isaiah Koech finished only 1 or 2 seconds ahead of Rupp at Pre running about 12:56. Today Koech ran 12:48. Do the math.
Pfft.
Koech wasn't pushed at Pre. Out-closing Rupp is nothing to him.
In a race where he isn't the winner we see his true ability: >5 seconds faster than Rupp.
rupp-certified saladbar wrote:
ryan foreman wrote:Isaiah Koech finished only 1 or 2 seconds ahead of Rupp at Pre running about 12:56. Today Koech ran 12:48. Do the math.
Pfft.
Koech wasn't pushed at Pre. Out-closing Rupp is nothing to him.
In a race where he isn't the winner we see his true ability: >5 seconds faster than Rupp.
He wasn't the winner at Pre...
ryan foreman wrote:
Well, The Prefontaine race had pace setters so in fact it was kind of to set records. At least American records.
In any case, you are right that Salazar is the one who knows. That is exactly where I'm basing his 12:50 on. Because Alberto said so. He even said that wind conditions at Pre made a 12:58 equal 12:50.
I don't know if Salazar can know that the conditions were worth a 12:50, but I do know that if the race was like Paris, with the same conditions and drafting, it would've been much faster. Also, people don't seem to realize that Rupp was training through Pre. The kid would be a legit sub-12:50 runner in the right race. Whether he can medal or not remains to be seen. It all depends on how the Olympic races are set up. I think he has a better chance at the 10,000 than the 5,000. But if people think Lagat is a medal contender, than I don't see how they can overlook Rupp.
* then... I suppose you could argue drafting was in play at Pre, but, unfortunately, a guy as "big" as Rupp has a hard time tucking in.
Honestly, the times at the trials are meaningless. The way he tempoed a 13:28 for the second 5,000 in the pouring rain of the 10,000, together with his sprint from 450 to go in the 5,000 and its epic finish, makes me think this kid will be there with 100 to go at the Olympics, unless it's hot.
ONE 1 12:37.35 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Hengelo 31.05.2004
TWO 2 12:39.36 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Helsinki 13.06.1998
THREE 3 12:39.74 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Bruxelles 22.08.1997
4 12:40.18 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Saint-Denis 01.07.2005
5 12:41.86 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Zürich 13.08.1997
6 12:44.39 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Zürich 16.08.1995
7 12:44.90 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 2 Zürich 13.08.1997
8 12:45.09 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Zürich 14.08.1996
FOUR 9 12:46.53 Eliud Kipchoge KEN 05.11.84 1 Roma 02.07.2004
FIVE 10 12:46.81 Dejene Gebremeskel ETH 24.11.89 1 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
SIX 11 12:47.04 Sileshi Sihine ETH 29.01.83 2 Roma 02.07.2004
SEVEN 12 12:47.53 Hagos Gebrhiwet ETH 11.05.94 2 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
13 12:48.09 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Bruxelles 25.08.2006
14 12:48.25 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Zürich 18.08.2006
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NINE 16 12:48.66 Issac Songok KEN 25.04.84 2 Zürich 18.08.2006
TEN 17 12:48.77 Yenew Alamirew ETH 27.05.90 4 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
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19 12:48.98 Daniel Komen KEN 17.05.76 1 Roma 05.06.1997
TWELVE 20 12:49.04 Thomas Longosiwa KEN 14.01.82 5 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
THIRTEEN 21 12:49.28 Brahim Lahlafi MAR 15.04.68 1 Bruxelles 25.08.2000
FOURTEEN 22 12:49.50 John Kipkoech KEN 29.12.91 6 Saint-Denis 06.07.2012
23 12:49.53 Kenenisa Bekele ETH 13.06.82 1 Zaragoza 28.07.2007
24 12:49.64 Haile Gebrselassie ETH 18.04.73 1 Zürich 11.08.1999
FIFTEEN 25 12:49.71 Mohammed Mourhit BEL 10.10.70 2 Bruxelles 25.08.2000
26 12:49.87 Paul Tergat KEN 17.06.69 3 Zürich 13.08.1997