https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bpence2/www/Bekele/Bekele_Splits.html
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/bpence2/www/Bekele/Bekele_Splits.html
No I don't. The IAAF is just wrong, as is your opinion.The equivalent performance is 3:43.41. Deal with it.
ventolin^3 wrote:
you need a better calculator
iaaf gives that as 3'45.00
( albeit, imo that is still a poor equivalence - 3'46/3'47 looks more like it )
Bekele also broke 4 minute for the mile at Paris in 2009. His first 1600 is no slower than 3:58.
i don't know what mickey-mouse calculator you are using but you woud be an idiot to believe that the 8th fastest 3k is = 3rd fastest mile according to all-time lists or a time 0.28s outside the mile wr is = 5.12s outside 3k wr
It doesn't matter what mickey-mouse calculator I use.
For some reason, you seem to think I *need* a better one. Of all the things I need, I have no need for a better equivalence calculator. I don't have any need for better calculations, especially for values than can fluctuate highly for many external reasons, from person to person, and even for the same person.
And I'm just making a statement about numbers less than 4. Replacing 3:43 with 3:47 doesn't make that point any better.
The all time list of mile times are weak because it's not run much anymore since America went metric in the 70's.
By the way, when giving your lines of fitness from your Jundo Predictor, you often make rounding errors. You should round to the nearest tenth rather than truncating. You're welcome.
idiot
anyone with a clue about the sport woud know any calculator that says 7'25.7 = 3'43.4 is bullsh!t
ventolin^3 wrote:
idiot
anyone with a clue about the sport woud know any calculator that says 7'25.7 = 3'43.4 is bullsh!t
Let's say the mile world record is softer than the 1500 world record because it's less contested. And let's also say the 3k world record is harder than the 1500 world record, because no one has come close to it, including Geb, Bekele, and ElG. So that would give you what, 3:41=7:20? Then add 2s/mile and you get 3:43=7:24. That doesn't seem totally insane. At the very least, it's not any crazier than the crap numbers you throw up all the time.
Rene the Cart wrote:Let's say the mile world record is softer than the 1500 world record because it's less contested
yes
but stats guys including t&f new coloured book give 1.08 conversion
-> 3'43.13 =
3'26.60
weaker than 1500wr but by "0.6s" - small
And let's also say the 3k world record is harder than the 1500 world record, because no one has come close to it, including Geb, Bekele, and ElG
no
they haven't had any pacer taking them thru in 4'55 in last decade which kills all chance of a <<7'25
the fastest 2k split in last decade has been ~ 4'57
4'55 is not hard if you pay enough peanuts to a 7'30-kenyan to pace you
So that would give you what, 3:41=7:20?
no
Then add 2s/mile
why ???
That doesn't seem totally insane. At the very least
no
every part of your argument has been insane
it's not any crazier than the crap numbers you throw up all the time.
revelatory
i don't have the answer, but i know where the answer lies, i just can't find where it is buried...
shhh, ventolin^3 is the most entertaining poster on the board. I for one appreciate his postings.
7'25.79
assuming flat-out/perfect/etc, run
vast majority of these guys will have 47 - 53 speed ( no real point looking at cases outside )
with
47 ->1'42.56 , 3'26.85 , 3'43.67 , 13'02.40 , 27'51.78
48 ->1'43.87 , 3'28.14 , 3'44.92 , 12'59.23 , 27'36.84
49 ->1'45.18 , 3'29.43 , 3'46.16 , 12'56.06 , 27'21.90
50 ->1'46.49 , 3'30.72 , 3'47.41 , 12'52.89 , 27'06.96
51 ->1'47.81 , 3'32.01 , 3'48.65 , 12'49.73 , 26'52.03
52 ->1'49.12 , 3'33.30 , 3'49.89 , 12'46.56 , 26'37.09
53 ->1'50.43 , 3'34.59 , 3'51.14 , 12'43.39 , 26'22.15
these are not "tables" but best individual lines of fit
experience tells me that 3rd & 4th lines offer best answer, with bias to 4th line
a 7'25.79 shoud be somewhere starting in 3'47 area
He is the greatest distance runner EVER. That is indisputable. He has indeed split sub 4 minutes before in the last 1600 of a 5k. He doesn't have an official 1609 meter time recorded? Oh, I'm sorry. The man who has run 4:04/mile pace in a 5K and has run 3:32 indoors and out can't run the last 9 meters in 10 seconds (since the EQ is supposedly 3:50 for the full mile from 1500). Not that it matters, he's the greatest of all time. He probably doesn't care about some useless event that only America gives a s**t about.
Stfu trolls wrote:
He is the greatest distance runner EVER. That is indisputable. He has indeed split sub 4 minutes before in the last 1600 of a 5k. He doesn't have an official 1609 meter time recorded? Oh, I'm sorry. The man who has run 4:04/mile pace in a 5K and has run 3:32 indoors and out can't run the last 9 meters in 10 seconds (since the EQ is supposedly 3:50 for the full mile from 1500). Not that it matters, he's the greatest of all time. He probably doesn't care about some useless event that only America gives a s**t about.
And you are emotionally involved here....Interesting, as I don't think anybody was questioning how great Kenenisa Bekele has been.
Even Daniels VDOT tables equates 3:45.15 for the mile to 7:25.79 for 3K, and Daniels tables tend to give slow estimates for shorter distances (e.g. Daniels VDOT table gives 1:46.54 for 800m for the same 7:25.79 3K).You need something better than "lines of individual fit" to determine equivalent performances.
ventolin^3 wrote:
idiot
anyone with a clue about the sport woud know any calculator that says 7'25.7 = 3'43.4 is bullsh!t
This makes it clear your "best answer" is answering another question.I use an equivalence calculator to calculate equivalent performances over different distances.In order for your times to make sense, you have to plug in 49-50 seconds for 400m. In your world, it's not absurd to call 49-50 seconds an equivalent performance. I would say 43.52 is more like the equivalent performance. 49 seconds is too slow, as is 3:46-3:47.
ventolin^3 wrote:
7'25.79
assuming flat-out/perfect/etc, run
vast majority of these guys will have 47 - 53 speed ( no real point looking at cases outside )
with
47 ->1'42.56 , 3'26.85 , 3'43.67 , 13'02.40 , 27'51.78
48 ->1'43.87 , 3'28.14 , 3'44.92 , 12'59.23 , 27'36.84
49 ->1'45.18 , 3'29.43 , 3'46.16 , 12'56.06 , 27'21.90
50 ->1'46.49 , 3'30.72 , 3'47.41 , 12'52.89 , 27'06.96
51 ->1'47.81 , 3'32.01 , 3'48.65 , 12'49.73 , 26'52.03
52 ->1'49.12 , 3'33.30 , 3'49.89 , 12'46.56 , 26'37.09
53 ->1'50.43 , 3'34.59 , 3'51.14 , 12'43.39 , 26'22.15
these are not "tables" but best individual lines of fit
experience tells me that 3rd & 4th lines offer best answer, with bias to 4th line
a 7'25.79 shoud be somewhere starting in 3'47 area
Only when he finishes 5k's & doing workouts (on the sub 4 efforts). Nasty finisher!
Stfu trolls wrote:
He is the greatest distance runner EVER. That is indisputable.
The man who has run 4:04/mile pace in a 5K and has run 3:32 indoors
Both statements are wrong.
indisputable?? Have you ever heard the name of Haile Gebrselassie? I doubt it.
the BRObius strip wrote:
Suppose Bekele's lap splits were 40, 70, 70, 70, and 40, and that there was no deviation in velocity in the middle of any of his laps. Bekele would not have run a mile of the race in under 4 minutes. In fact, each unbroken 1600m segment would be exactly 4:10 so he would not have even cracked 4:10 for the mile.
That being said, without knowing his splits I would bet the farm that his first mile was sub 4 in that race.
Not easy to run a 2000 with these splits... but a good solution to the problem others have asked for a solution.
Little bit more realistic: 43, 68, 68, 68, 43 with each 1600m segment run in 4:07. Michael Johnson still wouldn't be happy to see such a race!
I also heard that he hasn't broken 13 seconds in the 100m dash from a standing start in any meet!
rekrunner wrote:Even Daniels VDOT tables equates 3:45.15 for the mile to 7:25.79 for 3K, and Daniels tables tend to give slow estimates for shorter distances (e.g. Daniels VDOT table gives 1:46.54 for 800m for the same 7:25.79 3K)
this is a better number consistent with iaaf
You need something better than "lines of individual fit" to determine equivalent performances
learn to read
i said this will get you to an answer which most experienced observers woud rate better than 3'45 let alone 3'43
How many World XC titles has Geb won? None. Bekele has won 11. How many 10,000m races has Bekele lost that he's finished? None. Geb is ONE of the greatest, but Bekele has accomplished more despite the fact that he's 9 years younger. He hasn't even touched the marathon yet, and there is no reason as to why he won't do better in that too.