Facebook Phil wrote:
"Adolescent sexuality" is not an aberration. Its a normal part of the maturing process.
Tell your friend to join the real world, make sure his daughter has plenty of condoms, and that they are used.
Fresh, unopened, unused condoms would probably be a better thing for him to give his daughter.
if the criterion for moral wrong is that the person feels bad afterwards, then you open up all categories of action to moral worth, given, of course, that one does not feel wrong about x. my question was what makes sex morally wrong? and you provide no answer other than a repetition of the claim.
Well if Kevin's not into pus that must mean he like dick.
the old man better back off before the boyfriend shows him up in front of his daughter.
how embarassing would it be to get beat up by your daughter's boyfriend? thats the most shameful thing a father can experience, in my opinion. Even worse, it would probably make your daughter more sexually attracted to her boyfriend, though she might subdue it at the time and pretend to feel bad for you.
He'll be way more upset when he finds out her boyfriend is actually her 40 year old teacher, so he should probably chill for now.
bravo, candela, bravo.
10/10
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
if the criterion for moral wrong is that the person feels bad afterwards, then you open up all categories of action to moral worth, given, of course, that one does not feel wrong about x. my question was what makes sex morally wrong? and you provide no answer other than a repetition of the claim.
Okay, fine. What makes anything wrong then?
Take act X. I'm not going to say what act X is. It could be donating $1,000,000 to cancer research, or it could be killing someone. It's just an act.
Now lets say that for a given time period, Y percent of the population thinks that act X is morally acceptable, and is even a good deed. (100-Y) percent finds the act repugnant, and thinks X is a bad deed.
For an outside observer looking onto this society, how can he objectively say whether or not act X is moral or immoral?
Well, if you're religious, then what is moral and immoral is specified by religious codes, and you can use that religion to determine whether act X is good or bad.
If you're not religious, then you have nothing to reference to tell you whether X is good or bad other than what your "gut feeling" is telling you -- we'll say it is some sensation in your brain that is there because you evolved that way.
So it comes down to either: what percentage of the population has a religion telling them that premarital sex is wrong, or what percentage of the population evolved such that their brain is causing them an undesirable "guilty" feeling?
My point is that either way:
1) Most people on earth (> 90%) *claim* to be religious, and they are ignoring their religion and doing something that is wrong.
-OR-
2) I *think* that most people are born with brains that evolved to give them a "guilty" feeling after premartial sex, and they try to rationalize away this feeling.
Candela by far one of the best trolls I've seen in a while. Way to get the people going 8/10. Looks like you just went gorillas.
Keep standing for what's right candela.
the subject's reaction is the only possible standard for moral wrong or right?
how about these others?
1. God determines right or wrong (divine command theory).
2. the greatness happiness for the greatest number, where happiness is defined by the sum total of pleasures minus pains (Bentham, Mill: utilitarianism)
3. the actions, reasons, and attitudes of moral exemplars (Aristotle, Confucius)
4. the good is a universal ideal that is the condition for all truth, being, knowledge (Plato).
5. act in such a way that the maxim of your action can become a universal law (of nature) or treat the humanity in your own person or in that of others never merely as a means but always also as an end in itself (Kant: categorical imperative).
"greatest" happiness
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
the subject's reaction is the only possible standard for moral wrong or right?
how about these others?
1. God determines right or wrong (divine command theory).
2. the greatness happiness for the greatest number, where happiness is defined by the sum total of pleasures minus pains (Bentham, Mill: utilitarianism)
3. the actions, reasons, and attitudes of moral exemplars (Aristotle, Confucius)
4. the good is a universal ideal that is the condition for all truth, being, knowledge (Plato).
5. act in such a way that the maxim of your action can become a universal law (of nature) or treat the humanity in your own person or in that of others never merely as a means but always also as an end in itself (Kant: categorical imperative).
Each person defines how right and wrong are decided using one of those methods you listed. I don't see how we're disagreeing on this point.
Sex before marriage IS wrong. Anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.
agreed wrote:
Keep standing for what's right candela.
Sarcasm or sincerity?
Sincere.
Most parents would understand wrote:
Having kids that are now in their twenties, those late teenage years can be stressful. I'm not sure what to tell him to cheer him up. I always told my daughter that I was concerned about her having sex at a young age for several reasons.
1) She "loved" her boyfriend. Thought they would always love each other, would get married, etc. She honestly beleived they would always be together. It is difficult for kids at that age to understand that young adults grow and change a great deal during the college years. In additional, girls tend to attach emotional feelings to sex more than boys. I worried she would get hurt if he later dumped her. Not surprisingly, when they attended separate universities, the relationship didn't last.
2) The fact is that it is the girl that may get pregnant - birth control or no birth control. The girl is the one left deciding whether to have the baby, give the baby up for adoption, or have an abortion. Each of those scenarios is difficult. In additon, having an abortion while physically/emotionally difficult also places a woman at a higher risk of miscarriage or premature labor if she later decides to have children. In almost every case, the boy walks away and the girl is left alone to deal with the pregnancy.
3) Risk of sexually transmitted disease. Look at the number of herpes and chlamydia cases in this country. An estimated 2.8 million cases of chlamydia annually. Males tend to infect women more with herpes than vice versa, leaving one in 5 women with herpes in the age group 14-49. Just those facts alone should worry young women/men.
Today's kids are so bombarded by sex, it isn't surprising they became sexually active so young. However, being ready for sex "physically", isn't the same thing as being able to handle the "emotional" side of sex.
All these can be solved w/ 3 simple words: "Use a condom"
#1...thats part of learning. Getting your feelings hurt. Can't avoid that one
Facebook Phil wrote:
>90% of Americans have had sex before marriage.
candela wrote:
"Have had" is different than finding it acceptable. Many people do things that they admit are immoral and that they regret.
So despite not knowing people in the majority (you yourself said your associates think pre-martial sex is "immature"), you claim to know know these peoples feelings about sex?
For the majority of people sex is not "moral". Its a normal part of being human, and doesn't have all this unnecessary and destructive baggage associated with it. Its fun, and to be enjoyed, not a source of anguish.
if father truly wants to train up a daughter in a way to ease his fears, he should make her go to school dressed like a quaker, or homeschool her. simple as that.
you wear what i say, or get out of the house.
Facebook Phil wrote:
All these can be solved w/ 3 simple words: "Use a condom"
#1...thats part of learning. Getting your feelings hurt. Can't avoid that one
Condoms prevent disease?! Sweet! That's great to know. Off to "layd" now that my worries are allayed.
Facebook Phil wrote:
So despite not knowing people in the majority (you yourself said your associates think pre-martial sex is "immature"), you claim to know know these peoples feelings about sex?
For the majority of people sex is not "moral". Its a normal part of being human, and doesn't have all this unnecessary and destructive baggage associated with it. Its fun, and to be enjoyed, not a source of anguish.
Not sex. Sex isn't at all immoral. *Pre-marital* sex.
Assuming the data you have given me is correct, that ">90% of Americans have had sex before marriage", and assuming the data from Wikipedia is correct that 77% of Americans are Christian (which is against premarital sex), then all that can be seen is that a very high percentage of Americans are hypocrites -- or is being hypocritical "normal" as well?
