lol..this is so true!
lol..this is so true!
haha YO wrote:
Yeah, Geb doesn't know $hit about running. You're right. I'd much rather have Ryan f'ing Halls career than Gebs.
Because everyone who trains just like Geb will get the same results as Geb. Glad to know it's that simple.
If someone can train every day for years without ever taking a day off, more power to them, but I don't see what's so hard about the idea that for SOME PEOPLE at SOME TIMES in their training, an occasional or periodic rest day will let them train more without getting injured than running every day. There are plenty of examples of it working. There are also plenty of examples of people who run every day getting injured and missing out on extending periods of training or competing, which has happened to Geb.
It's not a running heresy to say some people should rest sometimes. People should do what works for them, and rest days work for some people.
If he isn't actively trying to convert you, then who cares? He obviously feels like his life is better because of his beliefs, he isn't pushing it on you, and he seems to think he's running faster because of it, so what difference does it make?
Why does he (or the journalist) have to bring up in every bloody interview?
Do you ever here of non-fundies crediting natural selection for their successes?
haha YO wrote:
Mzuuungu wrote:Why don't people who haven't achieved anything in the sport insist that they know more than people who have?
Yeah, Geb doesn't know $hit about running. You're right. I'd much rather have Ryan f'ing Halls career than Gebs.
Not long ago (actually, a couple of years now) someone posted a training program "used" by Robert Cheruiyot. The program bore absolutely NO resemblance to reality, but it was the one that Robert gave a reporter in Frankfurt. If you have trained with Haile then feel free to elaborate on his training program. If you are just regurgitating what he told a reporter then that is what is called hearsay. You are free to believe it if you want, that really doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I'm just trying to inform the people on here (all 1 or 2 of them) who are not so closed-minded that they cannot learn from people who actually know what they are talking about.
If you can't run 7 days in a row without getting injured you are doing something wrong in your training. Sorry, that's the way it is. Most likely you are running your easy days too hard or hammering workouts. My point before was that you can recover and still run in a day, not a revolutionary concept and one that will pay off more divedends for your running down the road. How do you get better at something? By doing it, a lot, everyday. Running is no different.
Mzuuungu wrote:
haha YO wrote:Yeah, Geb doesn't know $hit about running. You're right. I'd much rather have Ryan f'ing Halls career than Gebs.
Not long ago (actually, a couple of years now) someone posted a training program "used" by Robert Cheruiyot. The program bore absolutely NO resemblance to reality, but it was the one that Robert gave a reporter in Frankfurt. If you have trained with Haile then feel free to elaborate on his training program. If you are just regurgitating what he told a reporter then that is what is called hearsay. You are free to believe it if you want, that really doesn't affect my life in the slightest. I'm just trying to inform the people on here (all 1 or 2 of them) who are not so closed-minded that they cannot learn from people who actually know what they are talking about.
Why do you assume that the day-off-per-week elites are in the majority at all? Sure you can name a few, but probably something like 90% of elites don't take a day off.
wi|fredo wrote:
Why do you assume that the day-off-per-week elites are in the majority at all? Sure you can name a few, but probably something like 90% of elites don't take a day off.
"Assuming" would imply I am not speaking from experience. I can guarantee you that virtually NO Kenyan runner that you have seen winning races in the USA (or elsewhere) is training on Sunday. It's not a secret. You can ask them. You can go there and see for yourself. Why do people still act like this is such a mystery?
Mzuuungu wrote:
wi|fredo wrote:Why do you assume that the day-off-per-week elites are in the majority at all? Sure you can name a few, but probably something like 90% of elites don't take a day off.
"Assuming" would imply I am not speaking from experience. I can guarantee you that virtually NO Kenyan runner that you have seen winning races in the USA (or elsewhere) is training on Sunday. It's not a secret. You can ask them. You can go there and see for yourself. Why do people still act like this is such a mystery?
Training of Kenyan 800m-1500m athlete, Martin Keino (son of Kip Keino):
Monday: 6am 45mins, 10:30am 40mins, 6pm 30-45mins
Tuesday: 6am 40mins, 10:30am track, 6pm easy run
Wednesday: same as Monday
Thursday: same as Tuesday
Friday: same as Monday
Saturday: morning run and hills
Sunday: 90-105mins
Eh, if I could edit my earlier post I'd make it come across less mean. I don't hate the guy. I just have the misfortune of reading about his faith or oversimplified training tactics on a regular basis. It's probably more the fault of the writers having to pander to casual readers and Ryan having to give quotes that casual fans can follow.
Cross Country Training of Kenyan Paul Tergat:
Sunday
6:00 a.m. 60 min at 5:40 pace
10:00 a.m. 45 min at 5:40
pace
Monday
6:00 a.m 12 miles at 5:20 pace
10:00 a.m 5 miles at 4:50
pace, then 15 x 200m hills
Tuesday
6:00 a.m 9 miles in 5:30 pace
10:00 a.m 9 miles at 4:50
pace
Wednesday
6:00 a.m 14 miles at 5:40 pace
10:00 a.m 6 miles easy
Thursday
6:00 a.m 9 miles at 4:50 pace,
then 20 strides practicing form
10:00 a.m 9 miles fartlek
Friday
6:00 a.m 9 miles in 4:50 pace
10:00 a.m 5 miles at 7:00
pace
Saturday
6:00 a.m 7 miles at 7:00 pace
10:00 a.m Off
Sunday
12 miles at 6:00 pace
I'm really not interested in what it says in a book or elsewhere. You only have to go to Kenya to see. They reserve Sundays for church and doing laundry...
Believe what you want though. I'm only trying to enlighten people. I couldn't care less about winning this "debate."
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
If you aren't getting paid to run and you can't stomach the thought of taking just one full day off from running... you've got problems."
Whoever said this is right on!!!! people are so crazy on here about running and most of you, well, let's be frank, probably suck at running too.
You can post the "published" training of Robert Cheruiyot as well - it is not what he actually DOES though.
I'm sorry, but I won't bang my head against this brick wall anymore.
I wish you all the best training 7 days/week, and honestly do hope that it works out for you.
ok i will go to kenya now and confirm
ok i'm back, most of them run every day
Grow up.
cayden wrote:
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
If you aren't getting paid to run and you can't stomach the thought of taking just one full day off from running... you've got problems."
Whoever said this is right on!!!! people are so crazy on here about running and most of you, well, let's be frank, probably suck at running too.
If you like running and aren't injured and are recovering and training well, why take a day off? Yes, if you are sneaking out to run during a funeral or the birth of your child you have some serious problems. Other than that though, just run baby.
cayden wrote:
"I've said it before, and I'll say it again..
If you aren't getting paid to run and you can't stomach the thought of taking just one full day off from running... you've got problems."
Whoever said this is right on!!!! people are so crazy on here about running and most of you, well, let's be frank, probably suck at running too.
You're absolutely right. It is actually a little disturbing how these guys are OCD to the point of total ignorance.
why is it OCD? My legs and body feel fine pretty much every day. I run workouts and races on the same level as my teammates including those that take a day off. If I feel fine then why would NOT running make me faster than running?
wi|fredo wrote:
why is it OCD? My legs and body feel fine pretty much every day. I run workouts and races on the same level as my teammates including those that take a day off. If I feel fine then why would NOT running make me faster than running?
Finally, a serious question. It was probably rhetorical, but I will bite. The fact is that if you trained as hard as I do (or the elite Kenyans do) then you would NOT feel fine when Sunday came. You would need the physical/mental break. That is why most Kenyans would look at you like you were crazy if you asked them to go for a run on Sunday. They look forward to the day off. If you are not running 100+ miles per week, hammering a fartlek on Tuesday, doing a hard track session on Thursday, a long run on Saturday (not easy), and doubles every day then you're not in a position to talk about what works for elite runners. You cannot equate the "rest" needs of a recreational runner with those of someone who is pushing their body to it's limit. You know best though.