2000 Meters: Rupp or Centro?

I think a better question would be Solinsky vs. Centro, would/should be a much fairer race

ammagamma wrote:Someone mentioned Bob Kennedy, and I think he's a good example of a guy being able to run faster over 3k than one would think. I don't know what he ever did for 1500, but if he ran 7:30 I would believe that a guy like Rupp could run under 7:30 if he were in sub 13 shape.

he was a tough guy

whether he was at his peak on 7'30 or 12'58 day, the 12'58 is the medal event & more important day

i think that day in '96 his line of fit was a prelim :

51.9 / 1'49.4 -> 3'34.7 , 4'52.1 , 7'30.3 , 12'56.3 , 27'02.6

his 3k was no faster than expected - he just had speed/endurance profile of an elite african of the time

I didn't realize he ran that fast for 1500. I was assuming Rupp had better speed than him, but now I'm not so sure. Better pure sprinting speed, maybe.

bob didn't run that fast for 1500 - that's a hypothetical time

his best was 3'38 in '91 when he was little more than the glint in his pa's eyes...

( however, possible high-51 speed is impressive

i don't believe the kennster ever had better than low-51 at his peak ??!!

51.6 / 1'48.1 -> 3'31.1 , 4'46.5 , 7'20.5 , 12'36.6 , 26'14.5

or/to/maybe

51.4 / 1'47.8 -> 3'30.7 , 4'46.1 , 7'20.0 , 12'36.4 , 26'15.3 )

Oh right . . . brain lapse on my part there.

Centro would wax Rupp in a 2000. Hell, I'd put my money on Centro in a 3000.

I like the premise, but Jordan Hasay vs. Usain Bolt over 1200 is still the all-time greatest hypothetical match up.

Wise Guy wrote:

Hell, I'd put my money on Centro in a 3000.

I guess we can't stop you if you want to throw your money away.

Wise Guy wrote:

I like the premise, but Jordan Hasay vs. Usain Bolt over 1200 is still the all-time greatest hypothetical match up.

Intriguing . . .

ventolin^3 wrote:

bob didn't run that fast for 1500 - that's a hypothetical time

his best was 3'38 in '91 when he was little more than the glint in his pa's eyes...

( however, possible high-51 speed is impressive

i don't believe the kennster ever had better than low-51 at his peak ??!!

51.6 / 1'48.1 -> 3'31.1 , 4'46.5 , 7'20.5 , 12'36.6 , 26'14.5

or/to/maybe

51.4 / 1'47.8 -> 3'30.7 , 4'46.1 , 7'20.0 , 12'36.4 , 26'15.3 )

You are seriously delusional. Your "predictions" are ridiculous. They almost universally don't match up to reality, yet you pretend that the "formula" you used to arrive at them is foolproof.

epic wrote:

You are seriously delusional. Your "predictions" are ridiculous. They almost universally don't match up to reality, yet you pretend that the "formula" you used to arrive at them is foolproof.

Dude . . . it's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that these are not supposed to be "predictions," only speculations on what a runner might be capable of on his best day at his peak fitness. Spectacular overuse of the words 'imbecile' and 'moron' aside, Ventolin puts more thought into HIS speculations than the vast majority of the retards on this website. And yet we still have people like you, saying for the 10,000th time how he's wrong because so-and-so ran a second slower in the 800 . . .

chump

info on his 800

http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3371087

ventolin^3 wrote:

he was a tough guy

whether he was at his peak on 7'30 or 12'58 day, the 12'58 is the medal event & more important day

i think that day in '96 his line of fit was a prelim :

51.9 / 1'49.4 -> 3'34.7 , 4'52.1 , 7'30.3 , 12'56.3 , 27'02.6

his 3k was no faster than expected - he just had speed/endurance profile of an elite african of the time

Well, either way, if you assume that this line of fit is fairly accurate, it answers the question of whether a sub 13 can be run by a man who cannot run 3:32, which anybody with any intelligence (no offense) could have answered sans your calculator. Tadese is another example. He has run 12:59 and 26:37, and I am sure he could not run 3:32.

what was the point of this thread?

the inclusion of complex, unrealistic calculations doesn't make for intelligent posts. i'm new here, so forgive me if i'm unaware that 10,000 other posts have made my point previously.

dericate rittle frower wrote:

epic wrote:

You are seriously delusional. Your "predictions" are ridiculous. They almost universally don't match up to reality, yet you pretend that the "formula" you used to arrive at them is foolproof.

Dude . . . it's pretty clear to anyone with a brain that these are not supposed to be "predictions," only speculations on what a runner might be capable of on his best day at his peak fitness. Spectacular overuse of the words 'imbecile' and 'moron' aside, Ventolin puts more thought into HIS speculations than the vast majority of the retards on this website. And yet we still have people like you, saying for the 10,000th time how he's wrong because so-and-so ran a second slower in the 800 . . .

i'll agree that "speculations" would be better in my post than "predictions" if you agree with my larger point.

'Im pretty sure rupp at his peak woud be :

~ 51.5 / 1'48.5 -> 3'32.8 , 4'49.5 , 7'26.2'

Bit of a shame Rupp didn't do the Diamond League 1500m last night. He could have finished a close 2nd!!!!

As for 7:26.20 I assume your ridiculous calculation has him at 7:26.2 for 3,000m?

You really do have to be joking with that one!!!

No reply to how you fared in the prediction contest either. Your calculations have no baring on reality!

Back to the the original ops question Centro would beat Rupp over 2,000m

2,000m is a middle distance and a WC 1500m bronze medalist is going to beat Rupp

I'm Rupp's biggest fan but he's a long distance runner! He's not even training for the 1500m and never will do.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

tough stuff wrote:

is it even possible for a sub13 guy to not be able to run 3:32?

Yes:

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=2011/sex=M/all=n/legal=A/disc=5000/detail.html

Definitely. Dieter Baumann originally was a 1500m runner. He ran the distance many, many times in all parts of his long career. In `87, when 1500 was his main distance, he was capable of a 3:33,54; in `97, when he was at his peak over 5000, he was capable to ran 3:33,51. As said, he had many more attempts over the distance to improve his best from `87, but always fell short in the range of 3:34 - 3:36. I think he really almost reached his potential over 1500m, maybe a few tenths more would be possible. And he has run well under 13 minutes. Stephane Franke was not far from 13 minutes (13:03,76) and he DEFINITELY was not capable of coming anything near to 3:32 - he hardly could break 3:40. These are just 2 examples. For sure it is POSSIBLE that someone who is capable of sub 13 is not capable of 3:32.

jennifer cruz wrote:Tadese is another example. He has run 12:59 and 26:37, and I am sure he could not run 3:32.

12'59 is a joke pb

the guy who almost "broke" a fit kennster in osaka was in no way a "mere" 12'59 guy

his 26'37pb was also probably a fair way off his 10k potential on that day

he fits a ~ tergat line of fit, which was

~ 53.8 / 1'51.7 -> 3'36.5 , 4'52.8 , 7'28.2 , 12'45.9 , 26'23.0

ukathleticscoach wrote:As for 7:26.20 I assume your ridiculous calculation has him at 7:26.2 for 3,000m?

You really do have to be joking with that one!!!

it is obvious you have never seen any of the great 3ks to come up with this tripe

how about sief & morceli jogging around for 6.5 laps, outside 5'00 at 2k & then basically blasting a 55s to get their 7'25s

if the 3k was run as frequently & with intensity of 1500 or 5k with ideal pacing ( no rubbish 5'00+, but some 4'56/4'57 & elite keep maintaining from 2k on ), we woud have an all-time list something like :

7'19 - komen ( he had fatigue of a "tired looking "13'00 from 2/7 before

7'20 - geb/hicham/kennster

7'22/7'23 - morceli, cherono, eliud

7'23/7'24 - sief, mo, bernie ( of 12'59 with 51+ fame )

7'25/7'26 - yenew, gus choge, songok, shinester, chebbi ( of 12'52/12'53 fame with 52 lap destroying kennster )

that's 15 guys capable of 7'26 or better & we haven't mentioned mourhit or some of the numerous, anonymous africans in 7'27 - 7'30 range - soi, kiptanui, tariku, etc

don't wet yourself next time someone clocks 7'26...

You are up early

Back to reality:

http://www.iaaf.org/statistics/toplists/inout=o/age=n/season=0/sex=M/all=y/legal=A/disc=3000/detail.html

So Rupp is going to run 3,000m within 1 second of KB & Geb!