jjjjjjjjj wrote:
Let's just note that anyone who runs a fast race for their level of competition AND finishes like a house on fire is likely to drop his time dramatically in a more even paced race later in the season.
The front end of the race was even paced.
Andrews has never run faster than he did here. I think calling it stupid is kind of presumptuous.
53 final 400.
Great announcer, like a horse race:
"... HEEEERE THEY COME...OFF THE TURN!"
coach d wrote:That is the list of athletes that tested negative for drugs as reported by USATF. Notice who is not on it and is not on the full list reported to the IAAF.
You're right. Wheating is in a different league, and that's why I don't accept his results as legitimate. It goes along with the "amazing" improvements last summer after losing to a freshman, and the very extended period of no racing. Now, apparently no out of competition testing (unless they're actually sitting on a positive) for at least a quarter.
If Wheating was from Jamaica, Morocco, or Spain with those stats, almost every person on this board would call him a doper.
He was a collegiate athlete for a major portion of time; see any other NCAA people on that list. NCAA has their own testing and a positive will get you noticed but will not be on the USATF listing at that time. Also, any testing in Europe would not show up here and he went from being NCAA to being in Europe a lot, so USATF would not have the testing except from USADA, I think. Others could provide more specificity, but I think that is the case.
MRR82 says: "he ran a tactically perfect race"
I see this guy MRR92 is still posting idiot statements like this. Been going on for nearly a decade now, harking back to Dyestat and such. Mike, just stop pretending you know what you're talking about. NO, he didn't run a technically perfect race. Wrong MIKE. He ran an incredible last 400 and lost. He got gapped and lost. A very good run for Andrews, but technically not so good.
coach d wrote:
If Wheating was from Jamaica, Morocco, or Spain with those stats, almost every person on this board would call him a doper.
I can't imagine anyone starting their career out doping; Wheating just completed one of the greatest championships ever for a NCAA middle distance runner...why would Wheating or anyone else think now is the time to start taking drugs. (That makes zero sense!) Pretty much all of Letsrun knew there was a fast 1500 in store for him becasue he is a racer and in the NCAA he raced to level of talened he was competing against. In the NCAA he was often doubling and sometimes tripling and in championships having to run rounds. I was pretty obvious that he was going run much faster when focused on one race againt better athletes.
Most dopers are athletes trying to hang onto their career, less talented athletes trying to get to the top, talented athletes trying to stay on top or they are part of a system where doping is what the whole group does a matter of practice. Which one of those group would say Wheating fits in?
Bingo wrote:
not too bad wrote:What is the obsession with Andrews here?
Umm, white 800 meter runner.
'good' white 800 meter runner.
Crimea River wrote:
53 final 400.
Impressive for April. He could win USAs with a race like that.
watch the race wrote:
jjjjjjjjj wrote:Let's just note that anyone who runs a fast race for their level of competition AND finishes like a house on fire is likely to drop his time dramatically in a more even paced race later in the season.
The front end of the race was even paced.
Not even paced for Andrews, who closed in something close to 52, I think. (26 seemed right for his last 200, at least).
Does anyone else always fail to be impressed with outdoor 1500 times, especially after so many guys go sub-4 indoors?
Let me know when he runs a time that danny k didn't run back-to-back...
A comment about the race video:
Does anyone else think this type of video of this race, shot from one location, is much more pleasant to watch than the so called professional coverage where they cut to a different view every 5 seconds and always zoom in?
I am not saying this coverage was perfect of course. I would prefer a shot above the finish line and the ability to zoom in more than this did. But I am simply saying that a single shot angle is better for watching track and field than cutting between too many camera angles. When that happens, it is harder to tell what is happening in the race.
Not to say that we are getting the time drops that you would expect (but rarely get) from middle distance runners in moving from indoors to out (maybe the base training from xc but strength work and VO2 max from indoors do more than the high speed stuff they are doing now), but going by the list below there are already 11 guys with sub 4 equivalent times at 1500m. Farrell is 12th at 3:42.23, just above the 3:59.99 equivalent (3:42.21). Batty first at 3:36.
http://www.directathletics.com/lists/track/49_673.html
incidentally, I did not know that Charles Jock had run 1:45.19 already at Mt Sac, a good deal faster than Samoei. Why no talk about that?
That's a joke, right?
jjjjjjjjj wrote:
incidentally, I did not know that Charles Jock had run 1:45.19 already at Mt Sac, a good deal faster than Samoei. Why no talk about that?
webby wrote:
Impressive for April. He could win USAs with a race like that.
Good thing for Robby that O'Lionaird won't be at USAs.
An even-paced 3:40 is not a great recipe for championship racing. But congratulations to your guy for getting a W under his belt in preseason action.
It is a great recipe for a solid 5k/10k finish, surely what he's targeting. No need to be snarky.
Ok, well wrote:
It is a great recipe for a solid 5k/10k finish, surely what he's targeting. No need to be snarky.
Exactly. This guy is looking really good. Andrews couldn't touch O'lionaird at 5k/10k, and now got beat by him at 1500.
Nonetheless, it's very early. Let's see if these gentlemen can hold their fitness for two more months.
yawner wrote:
Does anyone else always fail to be impressed with outdoor 1500 times, especially after so many guys go sub-4 indoors?
Let me know when he runs a time that danny k didn't run back-to-back...
God that record is ridiculous.
No joke. I never saw anything about it. I saw his name mentioned, but not that race. All I see is about Andrews.
TrackCoach wrote:
I can't imagine anyone starting their career out doping;
You can't imagine any white English speaker starting their career out doping.