This is 100 times worst than anything Michael Vick has done

The Waterboy wrote:

As for the fruit fly comparison to a dog with legs being pulled off- why is there a difference? Because the dog is cuter? It's an animal- never has a sense of morals so even if one is "smarter" than the other it still doesn't matter.

Again, you are not thinking very well.

Do you really think I meant that the suffering of fruit flies and dogs is different because dogs are "cuter?" Seriously?

If you can't comprehend the difference between the experience of a fruit fly and a dog, then I don't know what to say to you. Dogs CLEARLY have a greater capacity to experience suffering than fruit flies do. If we know anything at all about how physical and neural complexity relates to the capacity for suffering, it's that.

And why are you so stuck on a "sense of morals?" That is a completely arbitrary delineation, similar to, as I already said, the ability to discern the color green. If we're talking about the experience of suffering in animals, the capacity for suffering is a much more salient factor.

If you can kill thousands of deer and let them twitch around in pain before they die for human pleasure why not kill dogs for the economy? I don't even try to understand other people anymore. Its like when I was a kid and a bunch of other kids stuck firecrackers up some toads and blew them up. That didn't bother them one bit having a good ole time matter of fact, I felt bad about that. People are either one or the other type of person. Its real simple to me to kill things only when necessary and when you do it at least give it a half ass lazy try to make it quick and painless. Heck I do that with insects even.

Unless everyone having a cry on this threat is a vegetarian, you need to check your logic devices. Slaughterhouses for cattle and swine are far more cruel than the methods used to cull dogs.

Do you want to adopt a sled dog? If you think this is even possible, you clearly known nothing about the topic you're mouthing off on and have never been around these dogs. They are amazing animals for what they do, but they are not pets. They are essentially wild animals that love to run, and can be organized to do so in front of a sled. They will happily maul children and other dogs.

Dogs are domestic animals and precious human companions. Deer are useless wild animals. If you hurt a dog it means you are a cruel, freakish degenerate who delights in inflicting suffering. Such utterly worthless people have no place in human society. Kill them.

I Know Better wrote:

Dogs are domestic animals and precious human companions. Deer are useless wild animals. If you hurt a dog it means you are a cruel, freakish degenerate who delights in inflicting suffering. Such utterly worthless people have no place in human society. Kill them.

These are just your own biases talking.

Many people keep pigs as domestic animals and see them as fantastic companions. Many people worship cows.

Are we who enjoy the meat of cows and pigs "freakish degenerates"? Certainly the lives and deaths of animals in slaughterhouses are no more human than shooting animals in the head. Live with it, and get over yourself.

the smartest letsrunner wrote:

I Know Better wrote:

Dogs are domestic animals and precious human companions. Deer are useless wild animals. If you hurt a dog it means you are a cruel, freakish degenerate who delights in inflicting suffering. Such utterly worthless people have no place in human society. Kill them.

These are just your own biases talking.

Many people keep pigs as domestic animals and see them as fantastic companions. Many people worship cows.

Are we who enjoy the meat of cows and pigs "freakish degenerates"? Certainly the lives and deaths of animals in slaughterhouses are no more human than shooting animals in the head. Live with it, and get over yourself.

I agree with your post, but I truly believe that attitudes around killing animals for food will change, although I'm sure that it will be decades, if not generations before these people comprise the majority. Already, there are more people becoming vegans and vegetarians, and it is very easy to eat very healthily on such a diet, especially if you take a few supplements like B vitamins. For the record, I eat sea food and, very rarely, poultry, so I'm not trying to be patronizing or anything here.

For those who can't do without meat, meat can now be grown in the laboratory. It is only a matter of time before this process becomes more efficient and less expensive in money and resources than growing live animals. Lots of people already eat genetically modified products without it having to be labeled, so it would be pretty hypocritical for the food industry to even require lab-grown meat to be labeled, somewhat quashing the "ick" factor that some might feel towards eating it. Personally, I think it's more disgusting to eat the meat that comes out of the big slaughterhouses. Anybody who has read about the conditions found inside those buildings in terms of animal suffering, human suffering, and, especially, filthy conditions, would probably find lab-grown meat far more palatable by contrast.

Having said all that, I don't have a problem with humans killing animals to control populations that are out of control and utilizing their products. For example: there are too many moose in Newfoundland at the moment and culls of seals and deer sometimes lead to less animal suffering. If populations get too high, the environment will cause many of those animals to die of disease and/or starvation - deaths far slower and more painful than being shot. I definitely believe that hunting/fishing can have a place in society.

in the future... wrote:

Having said all that, I don't have a problem with humans killing animals to control populations that are out of control and utilizing their products. For example: there are too many moose in Newfoundland at the moment and culls of seals and deer sometimes lead to less animal suffering. If populations get too high, the environment will cause many of those animals to die of disease and/or starvation - deaths far slower and more painful than being shot. I definitely believe that hunting/fishing can have a place in society.

Ok, so why aren't these animals that are overpopulated and being killed to control the population being used for their meat in countries where PEOPLE are starving? I bet some starving kids in Africa could get used to eating some moose jerky.

I don't know if there has been an official government-supported cull of moose in Newfoundland... yet. I don't actually live there. I do know that there are many hunters in the region, and most of them do harvest most of the animal and take it back home. Doubtless, there are also hunters who only want the head so they can stuff it, but I'm not condoning this practice. Even if they do leave much of the carcass, nature won't let it go to waste as carnivores will scavenge the remains, rather than hunt and kill other animals. As far as sending the meat halfway across the World, I assume you are mostly saying this in jest, but it is far more expensive to ship fresh meat halfway across the World than it is other foods, as it perishes quickly and needs refrigeration. Moose jerky is worth a fair bit of money, so I can't see people just giving it away for free.

One thing that occurred to me just now is that it would be ironic and unfortunate if all the people who are so outraged and are calling on the boycott and banning of the sled-dog industry actually caused more animals to die. If nobody's using any of these tours, what are they going to do with all of the animals? As others have said, most trained sled-dogs are difficult to adopt and many could end up being euthanized. I'm not a fan of the industry myself, but hopefully it will be phased out very slowly so that more animals won't have to be needlessly executed.