Death Penalty for shooter?

By Gideon Levy

"Jawaher Abu Ramah died young. She stood facing the demonstrators against the separation fence in her village, inhaled very large quantities of the gas that Israel Defense Forces soldiers fired that day, collapsed and died several hours later at a Ramallah hospital.

These are definitive facts. The IDF should have immediately issued a statement expressing sorrow for the death of the demonstrator, and said it would investigate the excessive means used for dispersing demonstrations at Bil’in, which had killed Bassem, Jawaher’s brother, for no reason. He was hit by a gas canister fired directly at his chest two and a half years ago.

So, the IDF began with the spreading of lies, making up facts and spinning tales, originating with officers who did not dare identify themselves. Following the investigation into Jawaher’s death, it is also necessary to investigate how the army dares to distort in this way. Perhaps it will disturb Israeli society more than the death of a demonstrator.

It started with the first announcement of the IDF spokesman who spoke of an “illegal demonstration.” Illegal, Avi Benayahu? Stealing land for the construction of enormous settlements and the enrichment of questionable developers is legal; the defense establishment’s continuously ignoring the High Court decision that the fence route needs to be changed is legal; the killing of Bassem is legal; and only the demonstration is illegal. Why is it illegal? Are the Palestinians and the anti-occupation activists not entitled to demonstrate? What demonstrations can be more legitimate than peasants protesting against the theft of their lands - demonstrations that resulted in the High Court ruling? How could the Palestinians demonstrate legally? And why are the IDF and the police capable of dispersing the demonstrations of wild and violent settlers without deaths and only the dispersal of Palestinian demonstrations becomes - not for the first time - fatal?

But that was not enough. The day after Jawaher was killed, the IDF began disseminating lies. It’s not clear why the army chose to embark on this campaign since a day after Jawaher’s death IDF soldiers intentionally killed a youth carrying a bottle at the Bik’ot crossing, but that did not stir any outburst. The IDF left little that it did not disseminate about poor Jawaher. It was said that she died at home in peace, and not in hospital. Oops, it was proved that she died in hospital. When the IDF learned that this trick did not succeed, it came up with other stories, a bag full of lies. Jawaher was not at the demonstration. There are no photos of her. She was there, observing from about 100 meters, and was choked by the smoke.

Another lie from the bag of the IDF: Jawaher had cancer, not just any cancer, but leukemia. She stood at the demonstration and suddenly collapsed and died of leukemia. Where did they pull that from? Perhaps because her father died of leukemia five years ago. Blood? Through its propagandists in the media, the IDF said that the funeral was “strange,” that her face was “covered” and that her body was covered in a “blood-soaked” shroud (perhaps she cut her wrists? ). No one saw the shroud, nor the covered face - only God knows their importance, but whatever. It’s enough that the IDF says leukemia and bloody shroud for the army or right-wing analysts to raid the media and spread their tales.

Jawaher watched the demonstration, inhaled gas, collapsed, was taken, in serious condition, by ambulance, to the hospital and died there the next day. As far as anyone knows, she did not suffer from leukemia. She had complained of vertigo, and the doctor diagnosed an ear infection. There was no autopsy, and the inventions on her medical past only desecrated the honor of the dead and her family. Even if she was taking medicine, as the IDF disseminated, did she not die as a result of inhaling gas?

It’s good to know that the death of Jawaher is on the IDF’s conscience. That is how it should be. All 21 Palestinian anti-fence demonstrators who were killed over the years, and with them dozens activists who were injured, including an American student who lost her eye during the summer, should also be on its conscience. But the way to deal with a troubled conscience needs to be through the exposure of the truth, not through lies. For the attention of the new IDF spokesman: The IDF is not a propaganda ministry of an authoritarian regime."

If he doesn't get death, then I say you tattoo a pair of boobs on his back, some pubes over his buttcrack, and put him in a cell with the biggest prison rapist they've got.

If the death penalty worked the way you think it does, why does America have more murders and more prison inmates per capita than all the developed countries who have abolished the death penalty?

Simple question. So see if you can answer it without resorting to namecalling and other bulls\hit.

The got their ngrs, we got our ngrs. There's is the savage Muslim Arabs of the same Semite genetics. Our's is the ngrs with the genetics of savages.

USA in good company:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_Penalty_World_Map.svg

formidable doer of the nasty wrote:

Here's a death penalty I WOULD support: Take that deranged c*** from Alaska who releases posters with crosshairs on political opponents so that inevitably one of the delusional retards who worship her will take it literally, and string her up in the nearest tree.

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the black guy pees wrote:

If the death penalty worked the way you think it does, why does America have more murders and more prison inmates per capita than all the developed countries who have abolished the death penalty?

Simple question. So see if you can answer it without resorting to namecalling and other bullshit.

I'll weigh in on this. Personally, I don't see the death penalty as solely (or even primarily) as a deterrent. If some nut like this guy gets it in his head he is going to kill someone, repercussions aren't really going to stop him.

I just look at it as more of a punishment/taking out the trash. There is obviously a lot of gray area when it comes to crimes that I think warrant execution. I'm not for a blanket use of it, I realize there are circumstances in some cases that should be considered.

HOWEVER, when a guy kills a bunch of people in broad daylight with a bunch of witnesses and there is no question of his guilt...that is just a black and white case to me, no gray area. Let's cut through the legal maneuvering, bring it to trial within a month and settle it. Although if all those witnesses had beat him lifeless, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

Loughner is a martyr for American Insurrection of 2011.

Why not do it in public like other socially backward nations like Iran?

The Nazi Jews of Israel blow up entire neighborhoods.

People don't get declared sane without serious legal help. The evaluations always recommend continued treatment. I have friends who have worked on cases where people have been held for decades and were clearly sane.

Eh, I don't know about the likelihood here. It seems that the extreme right draws more of the truly insane, but the extreme left was responsible for plenty of violence in the 60s and 70s. The Weather Underground and the SLA, among others, were violent and perfectly sane, unfortunately.

"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

Oh how cute. Such a catchy phrase by the Gandi wanna be. Shall we tell that phrase to those that died in the gas chambers and firing squads from Nazism, communism, pol pot, and Saddam Hussein?

I have this question for those that are against the death penalty. Do you think its right that the murderer gets to eat his peanut butter and jelly sandwich at 12 noon tomorrow, but his victims can't because they are dead for good? Huh, do you think that is right? I don't. Give this man a fair trial and then execute him.

Am I the only one who feels a modicum of sadness for this guy? He is guilty and should not be declared innocent by reason of insanity. I feel more saddness for the families of those that were slain and for those that were injured. BUT he is clearly suffering from a serious, debilitating mental disorder. In all likelihood he was having severe persecutory delusions which he could not separate from reality. That type of psychosis is not like anything you or I have ever even came close to feeling. Even drugs (with the exception of long term use of PCP or ketamine) can't mimic it.

While we feel disgust for this killer remember that 1,000 times in 2010, President Obama authorized and paid for the same political assassinations against resistance leaders in Gaza, Israel, West Bank, Ira, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Jack T wrote:

Give this man a fair trial and then execute him.

Do you see the irony in this sentence?

Don't play word semantics with me. Either make an argument about this issue or leave. Its obvious to everyone what I meant. If this man did indeed commit these crimes, then try him, convict him, and then end his life.

The people that this evil man killed are gone forever, and their family and friends have to suffer because of it

Is it fair that this scum gets to eat lunch tomorrow but his victims will not?

Don't play word semantics with me. Either make an argument about this issue or leave. Its obvious to everyone what I meant. If this man did indeed commit these crimes, then try him, convict him, and then end his life.

The people that this evil man killed are gone forever, and their family and friends have to suffer because of it

Is it fair that this scum gets to eat lunch tomorrow but his victims will not?

Do you feel the same way about Obama who is responsible for endless human sufferings in Gaza, West Bank, and occupied Palestine (Israel) ?

All I gotta say is if Charles Manson got life in prison for inciting murder, why is that brainless bitch Palin getting off completely scott free?

All I gotta say is if Charles Manson got life in prison for inciting murder, why is that brainless bitch Palin getting off completely scott free?

Do you feel the same way about Obama ?