Josh Mcdougal

There is actually an article coming up soon about everything addressing all the stuff going on, that happened and is happening.

Josh is running right now and working. It's hard to get back when you fell so far. The article will explain a lot.

http://runningtimes.com/Article.aspx?ArticleID=7437

i am very confused, how can an NCAA cross country champion who has run a 3:40 for 1500, a 3:57 mile and a 13:20 for 5k on the track, who because of his traning of over 15 miles a day in singles would seem to add up to a very good marathoner, i am thinking 2:05-2:07 for the marathon potential, how can he not get a sponsor? there are certainly many runners sponsored without his credentials, certainly hansons or mcmillan elite or team minnesota could sponsor him, he has more potential than anyone on those teams.

out of college he really is in the teg, solinsky, hall category, why no sponsor.

i am very curious.

No idea. It's unreal that any sponsor would drop Mcdougal, even if he is injured.

hp or any other with loss of coordination in legs,

I have had the same problem it seems for about 1 year now. I was running 69-70 minutes consistently for the half marathon and then randomly one race I lost control of my legs around 10K.

Ever since then I have tried all sorts of things to strengthen my hip flexors, lower back, and so on.

Over time it has gotten worse. I now get ill-coordination of my lower extremeties only if I go Marathon pace or faster and after about 4 miles of running at this pace.

Recently I tried getting in shape again and ran 21:27 for 4 miles (at half marathon effort) and my legs started to lose coordination at 3.5 miles before I had to stop at 4 (the plan was 6 mile tempo).

I did not feel taxed cardiovascularly which makes this condition so aggrevating.

Any further insight on this? Does this sound like what you all have had or have?

just curious...does anyone know how many mpw mcdougal was running in HS? in college?

I think I remember reading that he was doing about 120 a week in singles. I think you can find training diaries of his online somewhere. Just google it.

I found that walking for maybe 20-30 yards restored some control and I could run for maybe another 10-15 minutes before the problem came back. Have you tried something along those lines?

Lone Wolf, the Warrior. wrote:

No idea. It's unreal that any sponsor would drop Mcdougal, even if he is injured.

Because sponsorship is a matter of "what have you done (for us) lately". Its been like that since it started.

boomer thats what i figured just wanted to c if any1 would make me try and feel better. prolly shouldve even of thought of that... its letsrun.

Why would they sponsor a guy like McDougal who hasn't raced in 3 years over someone like Bumbalough, Jager, or Koll? There are other runners in American with track credentials like McDougal that have had more recent success. Nike can make better use of their money than giving it to a guy that may never run again. McDougal had about the same credentials as Rohatinsky and look at what that guy has accomplished since college with the best coaching and support.

That is precisely my condition, it is still aggravating to have to stop.

Depending on pace, I can go for another 1-3 miles before it comes back and I lose control.

I did a 9 mile threshold run where I went ~6 miles at 5:35 pace before loss of control, stopped for ~20 seconds then regained control for ~2 miles before I lost it again in the last mile of the run (again, not taxed cardiovascularly)

Have you done anything outside of this? Have you figured out what this condition is?

ljajladf wrote:

Why would they sponsor a guy like McDougal who hasn't raced in 3 years over someone like Bumbalough, Jager, or Koll? There are other runners in American with track credentials like McDougal that have had more recent success. Nike can make better use of their money than giving it to a guy that may never run again. McDougal had about the same credentials as Rohatinsky and look at what that guy has accomplished since college with the best coaching and support.

To be fair, Jager hasn't put up much since 2009. He's been injured pretty much constantly. While loss of coordination in leg / sciatica / whatever sounds pretty bad, a non-healing navicular fracture is pretty bad too.

I'll explain the loss of coordination in a leg from a Physical Therapy stand point.

When one gets an injury to any part of their body, another part of the body also shuts down its functioning.

For example, I separated my shoulder in a bike crash in September and subsequently my abdominal muscles completely shut down as well.

Luckily my Physical Therapist whom I was seeing for the shoulder injury noticed this and as soon as my shoulder started to get better, my abdominal functioning came back.

That's the way the body works, when one area is injured another subsequently shuts down so that the injured person has to rest and get the original injury healed.

I think the obvious difference would be that, and I'm not saying this is necessarily the case but, Evan Jager is making substantial steps toward getting healthier. He's also invested his life in committing to running by foregoing NCAA competition and moving to Portland to train. Commitments like that do not go unnoticed by Nike. It seems to me that if Josh Mcdougal was working hard towards getting back into competition, Nike would not have dropped him. I'm thinking there was probably something going on where he made the decision to take some time off from running. I just can't see a guy like him not being able to get a sponsor if he puts his name out there and really tries to get one. From what I've read about Mcdougal it sounds like he's been training pretty hard since a young age. I wouldn't be surprised if that fact combined with this frustrating injury prompted him to just take some time off from the running world for a little while. He probably has a deal waiting at Nike when he decides he wants to get back into it.

I hope he comes back. He was one of my favorite runners.

again, this was about a relatively small increase in mileage and intensity above and beyond the 110 to 120 range that led to the injury.

I don't care if that's what sponsorship has been.

Mcdougal is one of the most talented runners in the country and healthy, is one of the best marathon runners in the country. A 3:57 miler who runs 130 miles a week and won NCAA cross. That screams amazing marathon.

He should be getting assistance from some sponsor. Not saying pay him tons of money, but gear and rehabilitation help would seem perfectly fine.

And why would they sponsor McDougal?

Hello?

This guy hasn't raced in a long time, but guess what? We are STILL talking about him.

He is one of the higher profile distance runners in the country.

If someone made a documentary about his story, right now, it would sell and we would buy it.

Lone Wolf, the Warrior. wrote:

If someone made a documentary about his story, right now, it would sell and we would buy it.

I thought someone did. Wasn't there a thread about it last summer?