Forced to pay health insurance for others!

SamuelAdams3 wrote:

I am in my higher insurance premiums to cover their free ride medical needs.

Yup.

SamuelAdams3 wrote:

Make the deadbeats buy their own insurance.

Nope.

No coverage, especially if illegal, adios. Quick patch job followed by a quicker deportation. We confiscate you iphone, expensive gold jewelry, souped up rice cars, etc to pay for your hospital stay and deportation. Maybe some prion time if you can't cover it all unless your family in some other shithole sends some cash.

You know that if you're a tourist in Mexico, get sick and get a laarge hospital bill you can't leave the country until it's paid? They take your passport.

American taxpayers have had enough !

Close the VA Hospitals and ship the sick vets to Kaiser Permanente. Then close the VA and farm it out to non-profit non-myth-based non-cult-based social service entities.

Terminate taxpayer paid free Medical, Dental, and Eyecare Insurance for school teachers, safety workers, militants, and civil servants.

To be fair it could also be "by a mexican".I would like to also complain about paying other peoples college (between pell grants and subsidized loans we it is costing us a fortune for people to get useless degrees), houses (mortgage deduction), health care (I am tired of this deduction. Make it all post tax), religion (lets get rid of the deduction for donating to imaginary beings), telephones and electricity (you want to live in the middle of no where, you should expect to pay a couple thousand a month for utilities), and so on.

obvious answer wrote:

Grays Anatomy wrote:

So when your daughter is kidnapped, raped, ends up at the ER unconscious and bleeding, with no insurance card on her we'll just ignore her and let her die in the hallway. That's what you want isn't it.

You left out, 'by a black guy'

asdfasdfas wrote:

I would like to also complain about paying other peoples college (between pell grants and subsidized loans we it is costing us a fortune for people to get useless degrees), houses (mortgage deduction), health care (I am tired of this deduction. Make it all post tax), religion (lets get rid of the deduction for donating to imaginary beings), telephones and electricity (you want to live in the middle of no where, you should expect to pay a couple thousand a month for utilities), and so on.

1) Good point. Without government grants and subsidized loans people would have to be a lot more careful about their cost benefit analysis of getting a degree. College tuition prices would also be very likely to fall. Better for everybody.

2) The mortgage interest deduction is a giveaway to homebuilders, banks, and real estate agents. Eliminate it and housing prices will more accurately reflect their true market worth. Better for home buyers

3) Health Care should be taxed (and also not mandatory)

4) Tax deductions for charitable giving (all charitable giving, not just to religious organizations) should be eliminated. It is so ridiculously easy to qualify as a 501(c)(3) that this system is a joke.

5) People should bear the costs of their decisions to move out into the sticks. People would make different decisions if certain costs of living farther from infrastructure were not offloaded onto taxpayers. Of course with telephone a first step might be getting rid of the tax to pay for the Spanish American war.

Cancel Foreign/Military Welfare Money to countries that will not adhere to the US Bill of Rights. That'll drop Israel, Russia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Somalia, Turkey, Pakistan, off of the welfare rolls and save taxpayers billions.

Free medical coverage for those who can't afford it. I am a free thinking conservative in that unlike many conservatives I actually believe in smaller government and being fiscally responsible. For instance the great Obama/republican tax plan is a sham created by cowards. Extended jobless benefits and allowing estate taxes and wealthy taxes to remain so low is path to insolvency.Less government means if my 14 yr. old is pregos government doesn't decide what we have to do. Government give aways including the prescription drug plan, food stamps, welfare and creating a culture that learns to milk the system is self defeating.Tax breaks for multinational cooperations that send jobs overseas are just dumb. Most business tax breaks used for recreational purposes are stupid.

9wa 4-jkl wrote:

What give-a-ways do you imagine are in the current plan?

damn it, I don't have a car but I keep having to pay for my f*cking town to repave the roads, wtf!!

its for the greater good bud

asdfasdfas wrote:

I would like to also complain about paying other peoples college (between pell grants and subsidized loans we it is costing us a fortune for people to get useless degrees), houses (mortgage deduction), health care (I am tired of this deduction. Make it all post tax), religion (lets get rid of the deduction for donating to imaginary beings), telephones and electricity (you want to live in the middle of no where, you should expect to pay a couple thousand a month for utilities), and so on.

Since I expect many of the people posting in threads like this are actually a bunch of greedy, self-centered small business owners who don't want to pay for health care costs of their employees and other things that REAL companies and governments pay for (including for D1 coaches like me), I'll point out the following:

The SBA has directly or indirectly helped nearly 20 million businesses and in 2008 had a loan portfolio of roughly 219,000 loans worth more than $84 billion making it the largest single financial backer of businesses in the United States.

Since small business owners don't seem to want to do their part in the country any more, I suggest we cut off the SBA gravy train immediately. I don't want to pay for this shit for a bunch of greedy bastards that don't want to pay their fair share in taxes, don't want to pay fair benefits to their employees, and all they want to do is TAKE.

Hypocrits.

Honestly businesses should not provide any benefits but FICA, SDI, UI. We should have a single payer system that pays doctor and hopsital bills. HMOs and PPOs should be outlawed.

Just to let the OP know, hospitals are required to treat indigents in order to maintain their tax-exempt status. That is why those people were being treated, not insurance.

Good pt. Also ins cos don't pay for the UN-insured, they only pay for people who have paid their premiums. Hospitals have rich donors and a board that qualifies payments to cover bills for the UN-insured.

Anybody here ever read "The Social Transformation of American Medicine," by Paul Starr?

Come you are in denial on this. Hospitals have to treat those without insurance therefore the hospitals don't get paid. This raises the medical costs for those who do pay including insurance companies. Insurance premiums go up.Its not that hard.

A Skeptic wrote:

Just to let the OP know, hospitals are required to treat indigents in order to maintain their tax-exempt status. That is why those people were being treated, not insurance.

Hospitals have philanthropists and funds to cover most UN-insured patient bills. Insurance companies only pay for those who are already enrolled in a plan. Some hospitals do not have enough donors and outside contributors to cover costs. Doctors and Hospitals pad the bills for those Un-insured that can pay out their own pockets to cover non-received accounts. Insurance companies have no responsibility for the UN-insured whatsoever.

The typical liberal wants other people to pay for their social conscious. If they really had a social conscious they would pay more with out being forced to do so by the government. The IRS will take donations.

Most of America have a hard time getting hysterical over Health Insurance Reform and Health Care Reform since it is mainly a bureaucratic exercise that the business and government does very well.

Medial costs go up when hopsital services have to be given to a number of people for free. Undenialable fact.

Insurance costs go up when medical costs go up. Undenialable fact.

Donations to hospitals can keep costs down regardless of whether free services are given to others. Undenialable fact.

That's true. Business and goverment are now empowered with Obama's HCR to remove useless middle men and bureaucracy from the Health Care and Insurance Industry.

It will take 3 to 4 years for NIST, HEW, Doctors, Hospitals, Drug, Pharmacy, Medical Billing companies, computer software firms, etc. to standardize the process and to eliminate waste. The result in 4 years will be insurance exchanges that will drive down costs, standardized web forms for medical records, medical procedures, drugs, lab forms, AP/AR.

There will be great upheaval for the medical insurance industry, HMOs, PPOs, and Hospitals. Many of them will merge and go under and middle men, useless functions, and waste are eliminated. The end result is everyone will be covered and costs reduced.

Private industry and Government have gone through this process dozens of times in the history of the United States. In the 1960s the mainframe computer got rid of millions of accountants and office clerks. In the 1980s, dedicated Word Processor Computers and Mini-Computers got rid of millions of secretaries and middle managers. Private Industry and Government must go through these tough transitions to make things more efficient and to save money. That's why I see HCR/HIR as a normal part of improving business and government.