One Indoor National HS Meet in 2011

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Do not fret what does not concern you. If it did concern you, you would have already had your answer to the question and would not have asked. Wonder no more Still Wondering and I understand the trolling for walleye was wonderful this year. Catch any limits?

My, my, we're quite sensitive aren't we? You have overreacted to a fair question given the circumstances outlined by OWK in a previous post. If one is to publicly criticize an organization for not living up to their obligations, then it is fair to ask if the accusing person/organization is living up to their obligations. People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Hey it is not my house and I am not throwing stones nor do I have any obligations. Facts are facts that MAC has not lived up to their obligations to athletes, vendors and until recently the facility and that they haven't done so is common common knowledge as they are in receivership and as expressed earlier by a statement that a dual winner has not received their rings and many connected within the sport do have access to such knowledge and fact. What makes anyone think that the NSSF had a financial obligation to the RLC when their event leftthat wasn't ? The NSSF and RLC would know the answer to that and a few others might have access to such info.

The question was answered that if their were any obligations that the NSSF has always lived up to those obligations. That should be a pretty clear answer to the question. If someone has contractual knowledge of the agreement between the two parties, they would know if any such obligations existed and if such an obligation existed it would be contractually dealt with. Since no one on hear is posting that such an issue exists one can deduce that there were no separation issues that were not dealt with satisfactorily.

I love how you say that you are not throwing stones, then in the very next sentence you drop the hammer on MAC. Classy.

Saying that NSSF has always lived up to their obligations does not preclude them from stiffing someone in the future. There was a time, you know, when MAC paid all of their bills.

Fact is that there were dates at the RLC reserved in March. Given all the bragging about how the NSSF takes care of their obligations and the MAC does not, it seems a reasonable question to ask how the NSSF is taking care of their obligations to the RLC. You seem to have a lot of inside information, but you are reluctant to answer my question. Why is that?

I am throwing stones at the MAC and they are well deserved. NSSF is an organization that has a record of integrity, fairness and professionalism and the MAC does not. Your question is fair, but that doesn't mean you will get an answer. I do have a lot of insider type info that others may or may not have, but the answer to this question is who knows or only a certain few might know if the NSSF had an obligation with RLC and if they did based on their track record I am sure they would honor any necessary stipulations. There is no reason for you or anyone else not connect with any such discussions to have any information regarding such a topic. It does not concern you as you have no role in any NSSF/RLC negotiations or discussions. You can let that bother you or think that just because dates were reserved that there was an obligation. Let me ask you why you think or seem to think an obligations exists? Did someone tell you? Who was it? Were they part of RLC staff? Shall I go on? I have no reluctance to share, but no reason to share with you or anyone else who has no reason to know. As mentioned before, think about calling the RLC and ask them.

Sounds like you enjoy trolling. It seems to bother you somewhat that I have information that will not be shared with you. Please learn to live with that. It is always someone's choice whom to share information with and you are not one of those individuals. Speculate all you want, but the NSSF has always fulfilled their obligations and if you don't believe that ask a vendor or individual who has partnered or worked with them at any of their events and that will have suffice or not.

I appreciate that you were mature enough to admit to your error re: throwing stones. Good for you. I am not as satisfied, however, with your reluctance to address the NSSF/RLC compensation situation. You say it does not concern me, yet neither did the MAC financial issues that you have been so eager to share over and over again. To be fair, you have an obligation to present all sides of the issue. If you wish to continue to press the issue against MAC, then you must be willing to provide factual information regarding the NSSF/RLC contractual obligation(s). Your reluctance to do so suggests, fairly or not, that you are withholding something. By doing so, you are not helping to improve, or maintain, the reputation of the NSSF.

Good try TROLL.

Also, never stated anything to to the effect of apologizing re anything stated about the MAC as those are the facts and my maturity remains intact. Don't try and analyze the non response answer to a question you wish an answer to that does not concern you and is none of your business. You are looking for an answer to a question and I suggested where to go for an answer. Withholding something yes I am because it is something you wish to know which is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. I have no obligation to present all sides to an issue. What issue? The only issue that exists is the one you have created in your imagination. The issue I see is that someone will not answer a question which is none of your business. Good try as your satisfaction is of no concern of mine. If you think there are issues go to the party who might answer the question and that is the RLC. I sense a reluctance by you to do so. Since they were the ones who had a site agreement with the NSSF go ask them the details. I am sure the answer you will get is it is none of your business. Then you can tell them that their reluctance to answer your questions leaves you dissatisfied. I have no obligation to provide any factual information regarding any arrangements between the NSSF/RLC as once again it is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. The NSSF's reputation is not the issue here. The issue is that you won't accept that someone will not share with you information that is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS nor does it imply anything is being withheld accept in your mind. Troll On as the power of knowledge belongs to those who have the keys to the knowledge vault or a guide to get you there. Good try. I've wasted enough time paying attention to your opinions.

Hey One Who Knows and 168th Street ... you're more like Ones Who are Clueless. The MAC will rise again this winter, mark our words. We are working on a new facility for NSIC and we will slam the NSSF meet like we always do.

the NSSF has done the right thing..... the RLC has been made whole.

Where?

Staten Island - under construction and about 18-24 months out?

Penn Sate - limited seating, not easy to get to, banked track

PG Center in Maryland - great facility, but flat track

RLC - possible as the meet was held there prior, banked track

Boston or RLC might be best options, but with no sponsor, debts owed and the majority of past entrants from the metro area will be a struggle to compete with NBIN at the Armory. Not so sure with their financial status that another facility will open their doors to the MAC and their state grants might require them to serve the youth of NYC in NYC and not out of state. Seems that the NSIC/MAC rising is more like NSIC/MAC dying or already dead.

There's your answering Mr. wondering from the right thing. Bet you can now sleep at night. You're incessant blabbering has been silenced. Please refer to the right thing for more details. Also understand that hotels were also given the right thing treatment as well. Again, NSSF demonstrates their professionalism and the value of business relationships and agreements.

Thanks to the right thing the TROLLING by wondering can now end.

168th Street wrote:

There's your answering Mr. wondering from the right thing. Bet you can now sleep at night. You're incessant blabbering has been silenced. Please refer to the right thing for more details. Also understand that hotels were also given the right thing treatment as well. Again, NSSF demonstrates their professionalism and the value of business relationships and agreements.

Thanks to the right thing the TROLLING by wondering can now end.

Have the athletes been compensated for reservations made? I mean the switch was made public quite late and I know of at least one team that made non-refundable airline reservations. Will the NSSF compensate them?

Get serious. No event assumes any obligations for such situations. This makes me laugh that you would even ask such a question.

NE Coach wrote:

Get serious. No event assumes any obligations for such situations. This makes me laugh that you would even ask such a question.

Well they "took care of the hotels" according to the earlier post. I just saw the entry list (teams) for the pre national meet at Boston and there are a lot of NY teams entered. Why if the nationals are now in NYC?

168th Street wrote:

Hey it is not my house and I am not throwing stones

168th Street wrote:

I am throwing stones at the MAC

wondering wrote:

I appreciate that you were mature enough to admit to your error re: throwing stones. Good for you.

168th Street wrote:

Good try TROLL.

Also, never stated anything to to the effect of apologizing re anything stated about the MAC as those are the facts and my maturity remains intact.

I did not say you apologized for your error. Obviously you did not. You simply corrected yourself. Fine.

Regarding whether it is my business or not, you made it everyone's business by posting here your comments about the MAC not living up to their financial (or other) obligations. It is disingenuous and petty of you to call out one organization regarding their alleged shortcomings without answering questions -- for which you admit to having the answers -- regarding the status of similar obligations with NSSF.

You obviously are a shill for the NSSF. That's fine. But to come on here and publicly disparage another organization while withholding information detailing NSSF's position in a similar situation is deplorable, not to mention immature, and tarnishes the reputation of the NSSF.

Whiner Line wrote:

I just saw the entry list (teams) for the pre national meet at Boston and there are a lot of NY teams entered. Why if the nationals are now in NYC?

The national meet pulled out of the RLC after the team declaration deadline for the pre-nat meet (or at least it became public knowledge afterward). I suspect most/all of those NY and other teams had declared their intentions to compete prior to learning of the move to NYC for the nationals. Perhaps some of those teams will now withdraw. We'll see.

Pre nationals performance list:

http://www.mstca.org/Winter_Season/Entries/PerfListBHC.htm

Wow, they are coming from all over, that is certainly a pre-nats quality meet if there ever was one. The girls DMR is up for grabs.

"Not to get too far off topic, or perhaps to even get back on topic. While in attendance at the Reggie Lewis version of nationals last year, they announced that it was the last year of the meet. "

That never happened! There never was that announcement. The events that have led to the move hadn't even begun.... get your facts straight