Post of the week.
Post of the week.
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dudehweresmycar wrote:
There is alot of uncalled-for criticism here.
First of all, for everyone here who claims that the only worthwhile goal in running is to go for a win or to be the best-why do any of you run?
sure, some of you may win a couple turkey trot 5ks in your lifetime, but are any of you going to be the best of the best? so that means you're running with SOME goal in mind OTHER than winning.
Are you making fun of Ryan Hall for joining your crowd? how about you turn the finger back around at yourself as you criticize him.
Secondly, running what are the odds that any american wins a major road marathon? if all of them only set their goals on winning, they would all be failures. For Ryan Hall to run to try to be his best, well yes, that is a good intention. If running to be his best puts him in the position to win Boston with 5 miles to go, you can bet he won't be doing airplanes to finish.
Thirdly, this guy is a Stanford graduate with an NCAA track championship, a team CC championship, an Olympian, and rakes in a six figure salary. I would consider him pretty successful, and compared with 98% of the junkies on here, he is legendary. Don't lie that almost all of us would switch places with him in a heartbeat if we got the chance. So how is it fair for you to say his religion is the source of all of his failure? If we use your preconception that his religion is the cause of his success/failure, and his religion has given him the above mentioned credentials, and your lack of religion has you being the spectator that buys shoes to fund his lifestyle, I would choose his religion over your lack of it anyday.
I lol'ed a littler at the end.
If your critical reading skills, maturedness, and great knowledge makes you a superior human being to Ryan Hall, and his weakness as a human makes him unsuccessful, why is he the Stanford Olympian with a hot wife making bank? anyway you put it, he's the winner here.
dudehweresmycar wrote:
There is alot of uncalled-for criticism here.
First of all, for everyone here who claims that the only worthwhile goal in running is to go for a win or to be the best-why do any of you run?
sure, some of you may win a couple turkey trot 5ks in your lifetime, but are any of you going to be the best of the best? so that means you're running with SOME goal in mind OTHER than winning.
Are you making fun of Ryan Hall for joining your crowd? how about you turn the finger back around at yourself as you criticize him.
Secondly, running what are the odds that any american wins a major road marathon? if all of them only set their goals on winning, they would all be failures. For Ryan Hall to run to try to be his best, well yes, that is a good intention. If running to be his best puts him in the position to win Boston with 5 miles to go, you can bet he won't be doing airplanes to finish.
Thirdly, this guy is a Stanford graduate with an NCAA track championship, a team CC championship, an Olympian, and rakes in a six figure salary. I would consider him pretty successful, and compared with 98% of the junkies on here, he is legendary. Don't lie that almost all of us would switch places with him in a heartbeat if we got the chance. So how is it fair for you to say his religion is the source of all of his failure? If we use your preconception that his religion is the cause of his success/failure, and his religion has given him the above mentioned credentials, and your lack of religion has you being the spectator that buys shoes to fund his lifestyle, I would choose his religion over your lack of it anyday.
You're right, he is successful. We see that he can be more successful as a competitive runner, though. Since we look to superelites as models for perfect realisation of running potential, it irks us when he does not pursue this (at least the way we imagine it).
a non believing world, eh? mocking anyone's christianity is literally an accepted and understood expectation. it is indeed a belief system founded on the utter annihilation and destruction of Jesus Christ, both in name and in body. that is the point of God's depth, but it is beyond a non-believing world. but what i always find amusing is that people who foolishly mock God, Christ, and believers literally fail to see that they themselves are "stock" antagonistic characters in the gospels of Jesus Christ. it's like they don't realize that they play a major part in substantiating the entirety of the belief system.
Ryan is taken care of.
Wallet Inspector wrote:
a non believing world, eh? mocking anyone's christianity is literally an accepted and understood expectation. it is indeed a belief system founded on the utter annihilation and destruction of Jesus Christ, both in name and in body. that is the point of God's depth, but it is beyond a non-believing world. but what i always find amusing is that people who foolishly mock God, Christ, and believers literally fail to see that they themselves are "stock" antagonistic characters in the gospels of Jesus Christ. it's like they don't realize that they play a major part in substantiating the entirety of the belief system.
Ryan is taken care of.
Come on, now. Non-believers are not the ones with antagonistic views. They're not the ones condemning most of the world to hell. You're no less antagonistic.
If Ryan didnt't believe in his ex-coach, he probably wouldn't get any significant improvement and it is more likely that he would have more subpar performances, similar to the Philadelphia half. I think most people would do the same thing if in that position. I have done the same in that position. He won't be satisfied with his career if he thinks he could've done something to be better. It all comes down to if he can live with his memories of how he did things.
Not really a praying person, but I'll say a quick one for Ryan's future in distance running.
Wallet Inspector wrote:
a non believing world, eh? mocking anyone's christianity is literally an accepted and understood expectation. it is indeed a belief system founded on the utter annihilation and destruction of Jesus Christ, both in name and in body. that is the point of God's depth, but it is beyond a non-believing world. but what i always find amusing is that people who foolishly mock God, Christ, and believers literally fail to see that they themselves are "stock" antagonistic characters in the gospels of Jesus Christ. it's like they don't realize that they play a major part in substantiating the entirety of the belief system.
Ryan is taken care of.
Christians have it so hard in the US, with only having 78% of the country calling themselves Christians and all but one (maybe two) Presidents in the history of the US as Christians.
while I think Ryan probably has a good bit of running knowledge behind him and some good people for advice, this smells like when Ryan left Stanford for a semester to train alone. I think it was the winter of his sophomore year. And he's gone on the record saying that was a poor decision. What will he think of this one when its all said and done?
At the same time though, the way ryan carefully stated things, he left the door open to join a coach in the future if this phase doesn't go his way. He has 2 years, 3 more marathons to practice before he needs to get one right in August of 2012. He has time to experiment on his own and then join a coach or group, if only part time.
Believer (in Ryan) wrote:
Not really a praying person, but I'll say a quick one for Ryan's future in distance running.
Good, I'm sure Ryan needs it. While you're taking time out of your day to ask someone to help Ryan with his distance running career, other may be praying about things like:
Cholera found in Haiti capital
Mexican gunmen kill 13 at party
Typhoon Megi triggers deadly landslides in Taiwan
Yeah, Pyrah put God first and that really worked out for him. A 4:04 high school miler to an average miler. I like the guy, but running like the state, should be separate from church. Believe in VO2 max. Let God be believed off the track.
FaithBasedRunner wrote:
Rather than poke fun at Ryan I am truly impressed by his decision to take his running to the next level by relying on the ultimate coach, God himself. I would love to hear more about his program as he progresses...and he will progress with this program by putting God first and at the center of his running. I have experienced personally the benefits of faith based running and I know Ryan will see the benefits to me as he starts this exciting new chapter.
What is happening to Ryan's brother Footlocker champ Chad Hall? Who is coaching him and how is that going?
Wallet Inspector wrote:
what i always find amusing is that people who foolishly mock God, Christ, and believers literally fail to see that they themselves are "stock" antagonistic characters in the gospels of Jesus Christ. it's like they don't realize that they play a major part in substantiating the entirety of the belief system.
As an unrepentant atheist, I'm likewise amused to hear that I "play a major part" in your "belief system."
As for Hall's "belief system," I assume that it includes a belief in really hard training. If it also includes a belief in Santa Claus, a talking snake, or Noah's Ark, I don't think that's a big deal one way or the other. It's not like he honestly believes that angels are going to carry him to the finish line of a marathon in two hours and five minutes.
Frank Burley wrote:
Believer (in Ryan) wrote:Not really a praying person, but I'll say a quick one for Ryan's future in distance running.
Good, I'm sure Ryan needs it. While you're taking time out of your day to ask someone to help Ryan with his distance running career, other may be praying about things like:
Cholera found in Haiti capital
Mexican gunmen kill 13 at party
Typhoon Megi triggers deadly landslides in Taiwan
So we are evil to use our interest to care for people who have more things than others? Ah, yes, we must damn those who see the world as an inventory for their acquisition, but only to bring the righteous poor to an equal level of objective worth.
bourgeoisie wrote:
Frank Burley wrote:Good, I'm sure Ryan needs it. While you're taking time out of your day to ask someone to help Ryan with his distance running career, other may be praying about things like:
Cholera found in Haiti capital
Mexican gunmen kill 13 at party
Typhoon Megi triggers deadly landslides in Taiwan
So we are evil to use our interest to care for people who have more things than others? Ah, yes, we must damn those who see the world as an inventory for their acquisition, but only to bring the righteous poor to an equal level of objective worth.
Yes that's exactly what I wrote. Suggesting that you use your magical prayer powers to save the lives of people who are dying in anguish this very moment instead of assisting a well off distance runner with his career and pastime is the same as some form of global quest for the the equalization of resources and the elimination of economic classes.
Agree about this weird inclusion in other's belief narratives. It's like Mormons baptizing the dead of other people's religions. It just seems strange and offensive.So, wouldn't it be better, and nice, if those who have faith would agree to just let each worry about their own when it comes to afterlives, or some such, and worry about their neighbors' welfare in the here and now, and let that concern cross over faiths. That would would be humane and good.As for Hall, yeah, I would like to see angels carry him over the line in 2:04, but it's gonna take his heart, lungs, legs, and training to get him there and physiologically that's all organs, blood and bone, and not a lot of the supernatural to be found there.
Avocados Number wrote:
Wallet Inspector wrote:what i always find amusing is that people who foolishly mock God, Christ, and believers literally fail to see that they themselves are "stock" antagonistic characters in the gospels of Jesus Christ. it's like they don't realize that they play a major part in substantiating the entirety of the belief system.
As an unrepentant atheist, I'm likewise amused to hear that I "play a major part" in your "belief system."
As for Hall's "belief system," I assume that it includes a belief in really hard training. If it also includes a belief in Santa Claus, a talking snake, or Noah's Ark, I don't think that's a big deal one way or the other. It's not like he honestly believes that angels are going to carry him to the finish line of a marathon in two hours and five minutes.
Ned Flanders is training himself for the two-hour endurance run? Hmmm.
All you really need is that little Nike gizmo in your shoe. It gives you all kinds of great coaching and motivation right in your ear.
bootsie wrote:
Classic. He's going to be getting his interval workouts straight from jesus. Because obviously if there WAS an omnipotent being, he/she/it would clearly set aside some serious coaching time and consideration for a half-decent American distance runner. Never mind the billions of starving kids. The Halls are delusional lunatics, and what's worse, they are now officially has-beens. He will never podium.
Being omnipotent would also mean that such a God could take time to listen to not only the prayers of a marathoning superstar, but also the prayers of people who are in greater need all over the world. I am also sure that the Halls pray for more than themselves, but also for the world and that God's plans are done on Earth as they are in Heaven.
If you have ever heard any interview from Ryan Hall, you would know that his ultimate goal was never to have running success for the sake of running success, but to run his very best in hopes that God (who created Ryan with the ability to run) would be glorified by Ryan doing what God created him to do.
Being self coached gives Ryan a little more freedom to focus on his ultimate goal of glorifying God, because he is not running for any one else.